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California ER Docs Call Bullshit. Shelter-In-Place Prevents Herd Immunity. Hello Disease Waves!!

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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,343
    salemcoog said:

    HHusky said:

    salemcoog said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with-dubious-covid-conclusions-debunked/

    The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates in reality are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

    Another bullshit article. They didn't use their own numbers to extrapolate the data. They used the results of antibody tests in different regions and then extrapolated the % of those tested positive for antibodies by the population area in which they were taken. They weren't claimed to be hard numbers, just extrapolation of given data. And gee imagine someone from the UW, who has screwed the pooch at every turn with their fucktarded model coming out to say it's all wrong. Imagine that And then some other Association Medicrats who haven't practiced medicine in 20 years or maybe ever comes out against it.

    It's real sad when someone like yourself can't tell that you're being lied to and being set up for re education and re distribution by your own heroes.
    One of you gals want to take a swing at explaining, with specifics, this bashing of the UW model you're all so fond of repeating?
    I won't spoon feed you facts that you can look up for yourself. And as much as you beg, I won't put my cock in your mouth. You'd probably fuck that up too with teeth on the backside.
    So you can’t. That’s what I thought.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    BayDawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Expert disagree with this expert opinion

    The policies need to be dictated by science, not politics
    Why are leftists trying to impose their values on other people's bodies? Shouldn't people be able to consult with their doctors an be able to make decisions with them on what they should be able to do with their own body?

    Holy fuck. This is the richest pile of hypocritical shit of all time. Right leaning folks say alot of things I totally agree with, but c'mon. This defeats any good argument you ever make. Stick to the economy.

    Roe v Wade? Did you read what you wrote? Isn't this exactly the same thing? Imposing their values and beliefs on other people's bodies? And before you go off on baby killer, blah blah blah, I'm against abortion personally, but I am passionately not in favor of telling other people what they can and cant do with their own body. It's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Maybe I am missing something, but my god.
    Calm down turbo. He didn't mention abortion.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,553 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with-dubious-covid-conclusions-debunked/

    The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates in reality are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

    He's right, they are a self selected sample of the sickest and most impacted people from a pandemic. They aren't at all representative of the larger healthier population.
  • BayDawg
    BayDawg Member Posts: 1,623

    BayDawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Expert disagree with this expert opinion

    The policies need to be dictated by science, not politics
    Why are leftists trying to impose their values on other people's bodies? Shouldn't people be able to consult with their doctors an be able to make decisions with them on what they should be able to do with their own body?

    Holy fuck. This is the richest pile of hypocritical shit of all time. Right leaning folks say alot of things I totally agree with, but c'mon. This defeats any good argument you ever make. Stick to the economy.

    Roe v Wade? Did you read what you wrote? Isn't this exactly the same thing? Imposing their values and beliefs on other people's bodies? And before you go off on baby killer, blah blah blah, I'm against abortion personally, but I am passionately not in favor of telling other people what they can and cant do with their own body. It's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Maybe I am missing something, but my god.
    Calm down turbo. He didn't mention abortion.
    No he didnt. Which is my point exactly. He was calling out the lefties for projecting there 'values and beliefs' on other people's bodies. You seem like a smart enough guy, that doesn't sound like what the Evangelical 'righties' do to young women in this country regarding abortion?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,567 Founders Club
    BayDawg said:

    BayDawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Expert disagree with this expert opinion

    The policies need to be dictated by science, not politics
    Why are leftists trying to impose their values on other people's bodies? Shouldn't people be able to consult with their doctors an be able to make decisions with them on what they should be able to do with their own body?

    Holy fuck. This is the richest pile of hypocritical shit of all time. Right leaning folks say alot of things I totally agree with, but c'mon. This defeats any good argument you ever make. Stick to the economy.

    Roe v Wade? Did you read what you wrote? Isn't this exactly the same thing? Imposing their values and beliefs on other people's bodies? And before you go off on baby killer, blah blah blah, I'm against abortion personally, but I am passionately not in favor of telling other people what they can and cant do with their own body. It's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Maybe I am missing something, but my god.
    Calm down turbo. He didn't mention abortion.
    No he didnt. Which is my point exactly. He was calling out the lefties for projecting there 'values and beliefs' on other people's bodies. You seem like a smart enough guy, that doesn't sound like what the Evangelical 'righties' do to young women in this country regarding abortion?
    I think you got whooshed
  • BayDawg
    BayDawg Member Posts: 1,623
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    BayDawg said:

    BayDawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Expert disagree with this expert opinion

    The policies need to be dictated by science, not politics
    Why are leftists trying to impose their values on other people's bodies? Shouldn't people be able to consult with their doctors an be able to make decisions with them on what they should be able to do with their own body?

    Holy fuck. This is the richest pile of hypocritical shit of all time. Right leaning folks say alot of things I totally agree with, but c'mon. This defeats any good argument you ever make. Stick to the economy.

    Roe v Wade? Did you read what you wrote? Isn't this exactly the same thing? Imposing their values and beliefs on other people's bodies? And before you go off on baby killer, blah blah blah, I'm against abortion personally, but I am passionately not in favor of telling other people what they can and cant do with their own body. It's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Maybe I am missing something, but my god.
    Calm down turbo. He didn't mention abortion.
    No he didnt. Which is my point exactly. He was calling out the lefties for projecting there 'values and beliefs' on other people's bodies. You seem like a smart enough guy, that doesn't sound like what the Evangelical 'righties' do to young women in this country regarding abortion?
    JFC. He was mocking leftists for being hypocrites. Have a drink
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    BayDawg said:

    BayDawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Expert disagree with this expert opinion

    The policies need to be dictated by science, not politics
    Why are leftists trying to impose their values on other people's bodies? Shouldn't people be able to consult with their doctors an be able to make decisions with them on what they should be able to do with their own body?

    Holy fuck. This is the richest pile of hypocritical shit of all time. Right leaning folks say alot of things I totally agree with, but c'mon. This defeats any good argument you ever make. Stick to the economy.

    Roe v Wade? Did you read what you wrote? Isn't this exactly the same thing? Imposing their values and beliefs on other people's bodies? And before you go off on baby killer, blah blah blah, I'm against abortion personally, but I am passionately not in favor of telling other people what they can and cant do with their own body. It's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Maybe I am missing something, but my god.
    Calm down turbo. He didn't mention abortion.
    No he didnt. Which is my point exactly. He was calling out the lefties for projecting there 'values and beliefs' on other people's bodies. You seem like a smart enough guy, that doesn't sound like what the Evangelical 'righties' do to young women in this country regarding abortion?
    I think you got whooshed
    No shit. Baydawg needs to PM IrishDawg.
  • incremetal_progress
    incremetal_progress Member Posts: 358


    I agree with Nate that people need to stop predicting the apocalypse if some restrictions are loosened. Some restrictions will remain in place, and people, specifically older people who have more financial security anyway, will continue to stay home and act with caution.

    These doomsday articles/models make it more difficult to pinpoint mistakes and specific restrictions that need to stay in place because idiots can just say "Well the model predicted a million deaths so I think we're doing just fine."
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Well, the original Experts Model predicted about 50,000 dead in Georgia so sounds like Gov Abrams is playing with House money