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RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,920 Founders Club
I can't remember where I heard or read this in the last 2 days but has anyone else heard that deaths in the United States due to heart failure and pneumonia are down 40% year over year? It could be BS and I want to be responsible and not spread more lies if this isn't true. On the other hand, if it is true, it is a damning statistic on the COVID19 agenda. I've looked for official stats on this and can't find them.
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  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886
    edited April 2020

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.

    Ope. I found the spread sheet. The spread sheet that only goes up to week 13. The last week of March more or less. How many covid deaths did we have by the last week of March?, March 28th we had 2,220 total deaths. So the 2 things don't relate based on the data available now. The real story will be seen with the last couple weeks.

    So basically your numbers are irrevelant.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,920 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Guys. Thanks so much. So essentially we should wait another 2-3 weeks to see if significant fudging with the numbers has taken place?
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
  • BayDawgBayDawg Member Posts: 1,623

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    Some people dont want to know, doesn't fit the agenda.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    BayDawg said:

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    Some people dont want to know, doesn't fit the agenda.
    And some people are just dense cunts. salem is making a hard charge for that banner.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886
    edited April 2020

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    WE HAD LESS THAN 2300 CORONA DEATHS ON MAR 28th. And spreadsheets aren't PDF's


    And T's and P's to your reading comprehension
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886
    BayDawg said:

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    Some people dont want to know, doesn't fit the agenda.
    New Corona bro. Did you get fed up with Facebook and come here?
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    WE HAD LESS THAN 2300 CORONA DEATHS ON MAR 28th. And spreadsheets aren't PDF's


    And T's and P's to your reading comprehension
    Christ you're dumb. There haven't been less than 3400 PNEOMONIA deaths in a single week. The tweet you linked was an outright lie. If you had an ounce of self awareness you'd take your lumps and fuck off.
  • BayDawgBayDawg Member Posts: 1,623
    You apparently haven't read any of my previous posts. Youre just being an ass, more power to you. I will continue to have my own personal thoughts on this issue.

    And I dont have Facebook.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    Could be Lemon Party. Clicking anyway.





    Secretly hoping for Lemon Party when being honest.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club
    edited April 2020
    BayDawg said:

    You apparently haven't read any of my previous posts. Youre just being an ass, more power to you. I will continue to have my own personal thoughts on this issue.

    And I dont have Facebook.

    One thing I have noticed is that most men on Facebook wear Apple Watches. One or the other you might be a fag, both and it's game set match you're a queer.
  • BayDawgBayDawg Member Posts: 1,623
    Swaye said:

    BayDawg said:

    You apparently haven't read any of my previous posts. Youre just being an ass, more power to you. I will continue to have my own personal thoughts on this issue.

    And I dont have Facebook.

    One thing I have noticed is that most men on Facebook wear Apple Watches. One or the other you might be a fag, both and it's game set match you're a queer.
    Good, I have neither.
  • insinceredawginsinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    WE HAD LESS THAN 2300 CORONA DEATHS ON MAR 28th. And spreadsheets aren't PDF's


    And T's and P's to your reading comprehension
    Pneumonia deaths are down 5% compared to last year but most of the decline was during the first two months of the year before Covid deaths started adding up. Since week 10 (beginning of March), the difference is less than 3%. So yea, salem is a fucking moron.

    Week 2019 2020 YoY
    1 3917 3998 2%
    2 4056 3995 -2%
    3 4094 3903 -5%
    4 3894 3742 -4%
    5 3888 3607 -7%
    6 3890 3594 -8%
    7 3890 3567 -8%
    8 3973 3410 -14%
    9 3753 3446 -8%
    10 3746 3530 -6%
    11 3979 3445 -13%
    12 3795 3697 -3%
    13 3712 4135 11%
    Grand Total 50587 48069 -5%


  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Swaye said:

    salemcoog said:



    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:
    You should check the data again of the tweet you linked. The graph they created claims that the CDC reported less than 2500 deaths in week 11 of 2020, due to pneumonia. That would of course be a huge drop from previous years, the obvious implication being that a lot of unrelated deaths are being classified as covid deaths to juice the stats.

    But if you actually view the chart data listed on the CDC website, you'll see that the number of deaths attributed to pneumonia in week 11 of 2020 was 3,445, which is entirely consistent with prior years. This same pattern holds true for all other weeks in 2020 - there is no single week that the CDC is reporting less than 3,400 deaths due to pneumonia. So yeah, go figure, the tweet you linked from an anonymous follower of a far-right blogger is manipulated bullshit.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
    Actually there is no mention of actual pneumonia deaths on that page, only %'s.
    Click "view chart data" in the influenza deaths section, near the bottom of the page. That'll open up a pdf from the CDC.
    I did. They only go to the week ending March 28 when we had less than 2300 total deaths. So the fudging hadn't started yet. The proof in the pudding will be week 15 and on.
    Christ.

    Just click the damn link I'm spoon feeding you and it'll open up the pdf directly. You'll then see the data through week 13 of 2020. There is no 2300 deaths, that stat is made up by the dense cunt whose twitter you linked. Don't be a dense cunt yourself.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2019-2020/data/NCHSData14.csv
    Could be Lemon Party. Clicking anyway.





    Secretly hoping for Lemon Party when being honest.
    Thankfully lemon parties are still compliant in states with the draconian bannings of gatherings larger than ten people.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club
    BayDawg said:

    Swaye said:

    BayDawg said:

    You apparently haven't read any of my previous posts. Youre just being an ass, more power to you. I will continue to have my own personal thoughts on this issue.

    And I dont have Facebook.

    One thing I have noticed is that most men on Facebook wear Apple Watches. One or the other you might be a fag, both and it's game set match you're a queer.
    Good, I have neither.
    I was pretty sure with that avatar you liked the split tail. I have always respected that about you.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Looks like pneumonia deaths would overrun the healthcare system. 50k? Piled up like cordwood
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