Correct me if I'm wrong

creepycoug

RoadDawg55 said:

But I don't think it is likely anyone gets in trouble for the Tosh situation. I don't think anyone has any doubt that Tosh did it, but it is basically Tosh's word against Davis' word. I highly doubt the $4500 came out of Tosh's bank account, so there is going to be a sketchy paper trail. I know Davis' has records of depositing $3000 and we all know where it came from, but it will be very hard to have concrete evidence it came from Tosh. Unless they dig up other shit, I will be surprised if something comes out of it.

This is a smaller scale Cam Newton situation. It's obvious shit happened, but won't be proven. Tosh will skate to Arkansas or somewhere else, nothing will happen to Sark, and obviously nothing will happen to UW. It's a boring time of the year, so this story is getting hyped, but I bet it passes over soon.

I don't think anyone is going to struggle believing that they got the cash from Tosh, and remember, as we have learned time and time again, the NCAA is not a court of law, and there is no defined burden of proof. they believe what they want to believe, which means they can ignore eye witness testimony of egregious behavior if they want, or, if they want, they can hang a program by the balls based on conjecture. it's the Roman emperor's thumb.

And, truth be told, there is some damn good conjecture here. Everyone knows these folks are poor and stupid. Everyone knows, and it can be established, that they suddenly came up with more cash in one place at one time than they normally see, and everyone knows that Washington was trying to get dummy qualified.

Couple that with Tosh's reputation as an aggressive recruiter.

That + That would = Obvious to me if I were an NCAA investigator.

The question, really, is how soft have they become on punishing institutions after the offenders have moved on? As we saw in the Oregon and Miami cases, and, unofficially as we saw in the Auburn case, the NCAA is somewhat resistant to hammer a bunch of people who had nothing to do with it once the staff that did it has moved on.

Now, as matmik pointed out, if this is the start to an investigation and there is more (and there usually is everywhere outside of the Ivy League and the military academies), then watch the fuck out.

Petersen will feel just like Al Golden felt - "I didn't come here for this shit."

This could very well get interesting. Hope not.

RoadDawg55

creepycoug said:

RoadDawg55 said:

But I don't think it is likely anyone gets in trouble for the Tosh situation. I don't think anyone has any doubt that Tosh did it, but it is basically Tosh's word against Davis' word. I highly doubt the $4500 came out of Tosh's bank account, so there is going to be a sketchy paper trail. I know Davis' has records of depositing $3000 and we all know where it came from, but it will be very hard to have concrete evidence it came from Tosh. Unless they dig up other shit, I will be surprised if something comes out of it.

This is a smaller scale Cam Newton situation. It's obvious shit happened, but won't be proven. Tosh will skate to Arkansas or somewhere else, nothing will happen to Sark, and obviously nothing will happen to UW. It's a boring time of the year, so this story is getting hyped, but I bet it passes over soon.

I don't think anyone is going to struggle believing that they got the cash from Tosh, and remember, as we have learned time and time again, the NCAA is not a court of law, and there is no defined burden of proof. they believe what they want to believe, which means they can ignore eye witness testimony of egregious behavior if they want, or, if they want, they can hang a program by the balls based on conjecture. it's the Roman emperor's thumb.

And, truth be told, there is some damn good conjecture here. Everyone knows these folks are poor and stupid. Everyone knows, and it can be established, that they suddenly came up with more cash in one place at one time than they normally see, and everyone knows that Washington was trying to get dummy qualified.

Couple that with Tosh's reputation as an aggressive recruiter.

That + That would = Obvious to me if I were an NCAA investigator.

The question, really, is how soft have they become on punishing institutions after the offenders have moved on? As we saw in the Oregon and Miami cases, and, unofficially as we saw in the Auburn case, the NCAA is somewhat resistant to hammer a bunch of people who had nothing to do with it once the staff that did it has moved on.

Now, as matmik pointed out, if this is the start to an investigation and there is more (and there usually is everywhere outside of the Ivy League and the military academies), then watch the fuck out.

Petersen will feel just like Al Golden felt - "I didn't come here for this shit."

This could very well get interesting. Hope not.

Good post. I may have been putting too much stock into thinking the NCAA works like a court of law. I think most would say Tosh is guilty, and honestly, I bet this is child's play compared to what goes on at UW and many other schools. My thinking was that one guy's word with no paper trail wouldn't get him far, but when dealing with the NCAA, you just never know. I think Woodward is a little bit smarter and tougher than the old AD's (not saying much) and won't just lay down and take it.