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Meh. UCLA sold out to stop the run by bringing people to the line. That opened up room to throw the ball where UCLA only had 5 or 6 guys in coverage. Every shitty JIFF you show where you say good UCLA brings pressure with 5 or more. Every one where you say bad they're bringing four or less.RatherBeBrewing said:
Are you the worldās shortest man preparing to take on Christmas legend Jose Feliciano in an exhibition fencing match?IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'm not much into the amateur film guys giving their hot takes for clicks in hopes that some major journalmalism outfit turns them into the next Mel Kiper. I do trust ex-players. And thought Geoff Schwartz had the right take on Shough.RatherBeBrewing said:I may have promised to gouge my eyes out if I see Tyler Shough starting another game.
Iām on the record as saying I donāt want the offense to Shough anymore. Amazingly, after rewatching games, I donāt think heās a lost cause. I still want a different QB and am 81% sure he sucks and should be playing for Northern Arizona, but heās not as bad as I had convinced myself.
* Consistency is the issue.
Great:
WTF?
Decision making and pocket presence is suspect, when he makes the obvious choice, or the right decision on where to go or whether to take off it can look good.
My theory is that starting from around the third or fourth quarter of the Oregon State game the yips got him and took an above average QB to Jeff Lockiean levels. Chuck Knoblauch.
3rd/4th quarter of the Boov game was also where Verdell entered the injury tent and never really came back. At that point the running game was left with Travis Dye, who's explosive but not built for a ton of carries, Cyrus Habibi-Likkio, who's built for carries but not explosive, and Sean Dollars, who someone needs to explain to me why he didn't get more carries against Cal and the Cloons. So you had an offense that was becoming more one dimensional with a quarterback defensive coordinators had figured out. It also needs to be noted the three best defenses Shough faced in the year were the Cloons, Cal and USC, probably in that order.
For my hot take to impress the major jornamalism outfits, I think Shough can work. But you need to be done with George Moore and Malasala Aumavae-Laulu at right tackle. And that means you need one of Jaramillo or Jonah Tauanu'u to take that job from them...or possibly Kingsley Suamataia. And you need a healthy CJ Verdell. But you also need a second and even a third CJ Verdell. And maybe that's Dollars and Benson. But Byron Cardwell would give you some insurance. And you also need one of Franklin or Donte Thornton to deliver from day one.
Or you need Ty Thompson to be an elite quarterback from day one. And really for all the moving parts, the paragraph above this one is more likely to play out.
Because you stand a really good chance of missing the point.
Me: Tyler Shough is bad, but heās not always bad. Maybe people were right about confidence issues because he has shown the capability to be okay.
You: If the football team improves at every single offensive position he can be okay.
Thatās a pretty low threshold for hot takes if either of those qualifies.
Too often CJ Verdell is like my Roomba; he repeatedly runs into obstacles and sucks.
The offense didnāt become one dimensional because the roomba got hurt against Babushkaās Portal Crew. Verdell had 12 carries for 18 yards and a housed fumble the week before against UCLA yet Shough managed 330 passing with 3 TDs with no turnovers and 30 rushing. Once Shough threw that pick in his own territory and Oregon State scored he hasnāt been the same. Shough made dumb decisions before that left points on the table, but since then itās like he canāt throw it or run it the same way. No analysis needed, just donāt be Jose Feliciano and see how different it looks.
At least we can agree that having better players around the QB would be good for the QB. Glad to know Iām not alone on that island.
Every pick Shough throws from Oregon State on is essentially Bill Murray in Groundhog's Day. Rush four/drop seven in zone. Throw to a bracketed receiver that he doesn't have the arm strength to fit into a tight window. Very little pressure. When there is, it's because George Moore is a JAG.
What Schwartz says is mostly true. Teams started not pressuring him and saying "Go ahead, beat us with your arm."" The lack of run game dug him some deep holes where defenses could hunker down and play to his weaknesses. He's not just going to hit the gym and develop a cannon. He can still be a workable starter. But he needs playmakers around him.
