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Leach and the “speed” defense

lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
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He needs to scrap it. I LOVE Leach and I get why he is going with that defense. However, Oregon just started moving their DL laterally and would wash out 3 player in the process.

I know it’s tough to get prototypical DL but they don’t have to settle for 250 DL in an odd front.
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  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,008 Swaye's Wigwam
    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.
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  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
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  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,008 Swaye's Wigwam
    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
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  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Stopped that silly team from owning us finally. I hate playing that team, they do have our number and it's irritating.
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  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
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  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,008 Swaye's Wigwam
    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
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  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    PI on Lenior twice, the non catch by JJIII, the false start and it was ticky tacky all around. Even softy was calling it out.
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,824
    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    Sewell's was a false start. He flinched with his left leg, although it was very slight.

    The crew messed up basic procedural calls/took way too long on discussions/replays all night (that crew is the worst in the Pac 12).

    Worst call of the night was on Wazzu's go ahead drive.



    2nd and 10, Lenoir broke on the ball for an int and the Coug wide receiver turned defender and somehow drug him down. They called PI on Lenoir.

    If the right call is made--2nd and 25 at their own 15. Instead, it was 1st and 10 at the 40.

    I don't think the refs almost cost Oregon the game, because (especially in the Pac12) you always have to assume the refs are going to suck and keep the other team out of striking distance where a bad call would make the difference between winning and losing. But that was an absurdly bad call.

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  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    Does anyone have the video showing Sewell moving his leg?
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,824
    lawsandl said:

    Does anyone have the video showing Sewell moving his leg?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljYuqHN5Xxs

    1:56:50.

    Like I said incredibly slight. If the DE didn't notice and come across the line, wouldn't have been called.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,804 Founders Club
    lawsandl said:

    Does anyone have the video showing Sewell moving his leg?

    It was right after Myles Bryant swept it
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  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    I sure as hell didn’t see it.
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  • dongmandongman Member Posts: 2,384


    2014. Moving the ball downfield and unstoppable all 2nd half. Game ended on this play. It happens every game. Oregon isn’t special in this regard.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,499
    edited October 2019
    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    Meat was also unlucky with a few critically bad calls. Shit happens. At the end of the day, losers lose and talk about who was lucky.

    Also,


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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,499
    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    The PI call on DL was horrendous. I actually think in the name of all of cfb that a thorough overhaul of the PI call is in order. I'd like to go back to - a long time ago - when you could touch a receiver. On that particular call, it should have been offensive PI. Levy even laughed at Griese, who had a hard on for WSU all night and was actually trying to make a case for the call, by pointing out that the receiver horse collared DL.

    On the Sewell phantom flinch, they kept showing the only angle any of us saw. If you have another angle, use your considerable computer skills and post it for us.

    Blaming the wefs is dumb; agreed. That said, every single poster on this board does it when the calls are of critical importance based on game/time circumstances.

    But if you're going to talk about luck, then you have to talk about ALL the luck, which includes instances of Pac 12 refs not knowing what they're doing. Not just the instances that are selectively convenient to you.

    Maybe if you'd spent some time in Savery Hall with the rest of us while taking a logical reasoning classes you'd be better prepared to have an even-handed discussion.
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  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,824
    creepycoug said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    The PI call on DL was horrendous. I actually think in the name of all of cfb that a thorough overhaul of the PI call is in order. I'd like to go back to - a long time ago - when you could touch a receiver. On that particular call, it should have been offensive PI. Levy even laughed at Griese, who had a hard on for WSU all night and was actually trying to make a case for the call, by pointing out that the receiver horse collared DL.

    On the Sewell phantom flinch, they kept showing the only angle any of us saw. If you have another angle, use your considerable computer skills and post it for us.

    Blaming the wefs is dumb; agreed. That said, every single poster on this board does it when the calls are of critical importance based on game/time circumstances.

    But if you're going to talk about luck, then you have to talk about ALL the luck, which includes instances of Pac 12 refs not knowing what they're doing. Not just the instances that are selectively convenient to you.

    Maybe if you'd spent some time in Savery Hall with the rest of us while taking a logical reasoning classes you'd be better prepared to have an even-handed discussion.
    To be honest, one of the great things about HH is that after the Oregon-UW game (and missed PI on the final drive) the consensus here from Husky fans was "we were playing at home and had a 14 point second half lead. It shouldn't have even come down to a single call".

    Compare that to Dawgman where there were 15 threads "OMG PI!!!".
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  • ramenduckramenduck Member Posts: 734
    creepycoug said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    The PI call on DL was horrendous. I actually think in the name of all of cfb that a thorough overhaul of the PI call is in order. I'd like to go back to - a long time ago - when you could touch a receiver. On that particular call, it should have been offensive PI. Levy even laughed at Griese, who had a hard on for WSU all night and was actually trying to make a case for the call, by pointing out that the receiver horse collared DL.

    On the Sewell phantom flinch, they kept showing the only angle any of us saw. If you have another angle, use your considerable computer skills and post it for us.

    Blaming the wefs is dumb; agreed. That said, every single poster on this board does it when the calls are of critical importance based on game/time circumstances.

    But if you're going to talk about luck, then you have to talk about ALL the luck, which includes instances of Pac 12 refs not knowing what they're doing. Not just the instances that are selectively convenient to you.

    Maybe if you'd spent some time in Savery Hall with the rest of us while taking a logical reasoning classes you'd be better prepared to have an even-handed discussion.
    PI calls in the past several years have made college football almost unwatchable. It feels like the officials have their hand on the flag every time the ball goes in the air, and look for a reason NOT to call it. Even worse when there's a delayed call because the receiver begs for it just enough.

    On the Sewell flinch, I'm not convinced the refs saw anything. They saw an indignant defensive player throwing a fit to sell it and took a guess.
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  • lawsandllawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    The Oregon UW game was one bad call. Although I though Puka and Mykael got the feet tangled up. The ref also didn’t have the vantage point.

    The Oregon WSU game was horrendous throughout. The zebras took over the game.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,499
    ntxduck said:

    creepycoug said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    Meat is lucky that Leech wasn't thinking about his D when he left a minute on the clock. Otherwise he loses at home because he lost his shit at the refs over a PI call.

    Oregon (W)
    WSU (L)

    Now what about the point of the topic?
    That Leech's poor clock management and shitty speed D bailed Meat out. Didn't think it needed further clarification.
    The refs almost cost Oregon that game too.
    What because of the false start on Sewell? He caused two cuogs to flinch. The they kept showing the camera angle from his backside where it looks like he didn't move. The first angle they showed he moved.

    Don't remember any other damning calls. Lots of physical play and shit talking down to inferior talent. Meat couldn't keep his mouth shut either.
    The PI call on DL was horrendous. I actually think in the name of all of cfb that a thorough overhaul of the PI call is in order. I'd like to go back to - a long time ago - when you could touch a receiver. On that particular call, it should have been offensive PI. Levy even laughed at Griese, who had a hard on for WSU all night and was actually trying to make a case for the call, by pointing out that the receiver horse collared DL.

    On the Sewell phantom flinch, they kept showing the only angle any of us saw. If you have another angle, use your considerable computer skills and post it for us.

    Blaming the wefs is dumb; agreed. That said, every single poster on this board does it when the calls are of critical importance based on game/time circumstances.

    But if you're going to talk about luck, then you have to talk about ALL the luck, which includes instances of Pac 12 refs not knowing what they're doing. Not just the instances that are selectively convenient to you.

    Maybe if you'd spent some time in Savery Hall with the rest of us while taking a logical reasoning classes you'd be better prepared to have an even-handed discussion.
    To be honest, one of the great things about HH is that after the Oregon-UW game (and missed PI on the final drive) the consensus here from Husky fans was "we were playing at home and had a 14 point second half lead. It shouldn't have even come down to a single call".

    Compare that to Dawgman where there were 15 threads "OMG PI!!!".
    That's because Dawgman is the kingdom of complete and utter retards. That's not the baseline.

    They do it here. Everybody but one or two posters will indulge. It's just the way it goes.

    My point was that you can't cherry pick by focusing on one unlucky thing (the opposing coach being retarded) and not the others (the PI call was super bad and very untimely).

    The other thing about Leach and using the clock is this: his is a rythm offense if there ever was one and much of its success is predicated on getting people out into routes quickly. He doesn't want to sit there in formation and give the defense a lot of time to sit there and stare at you and think about where you're going with the ball. Especially on quick slant routes, you want to get to the LOS and snap the ball. So I'm not entirely sure he was being retarded and think it more likely he was just running his offense.

    None of this matters at all btw.

    One thing I'm fairly convinced of: while Oregon's O line clearly run blocks well, they are going to be fucked if Verdell gets an injury that keeps him off the field for any length of time. Dye is a change-up kid and Habbibbi is a limited athlete. Oregon is still short on elite skill position guys. They need to recruit RBs like crazy. I don't know why they don't feed Darian Felix at all. Like, zero carries. He's as fast as Dye and bigger. On a more positive note, it looks like the Penn State kid showed up and Herbert has found him. That's a good development for the Ducks.
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