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Study says renewable energy power plants will overtake natural-gas plants by 2035

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  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.

    Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically.

    It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.
    There is so much stupid in the above where to start? It should be obvious the fly is attracted to the idea of compressed air because it involves hot air...

    HondoFS
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.

    Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically.

    It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.
    There is so much stupid in the above where to start? It should be obvious the fly is attracted to the idea of compressed air because it involves hot air...

    HondoFS
    Then what was your point by saying it's not competitive economically? You do realize that over time with more research and when you scale things is when they get more economically viable. Right?
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.

    Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically.

    It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.
    There is so much stupid in the above where to start? It should be obvious the fly is attracted to the idea of compressed air because it involves hot air...

    HondoFS
    Then what was your point by saying it's not competitive economically? You do realize that over time with more research and when you scale things is when they get more economically viable. Right?
    What is the energy density of natural gas under pressure in a salt dome (i.e. how many btus can be released through burning a cf of stored natural gas)?
    What is the energy density of compressed air (including efficiency losses) utilized by running it through a turbine (i.e. how many equivalent btus per cf does it generate)?

    Please explain how any amount of research narrows that gap. The laws of physics would love to know.

    Or go take your speed limit IQ off and go start another Kavanaugh thread on something you don't 'care about'...
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.

    Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically.

    It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.
    There is so much stupid in the above where to start? It should be obvious the fly is attracted to the idea of compressed air because it involves hot air...

    HondoFS
    Then what was your point by saying it's not competitive economically? You do realize that over time with more research and when you scale things is when they get more economically viable. Right?
    What is the energy density of natural gas under pressure in a salt dome (i.e. how many btus can be released through burning a cf of stored natural gas)?
    What is the energy density of compressed air (including efficiency losses) utilized by running it through a turbine (i.e. how many equivalent btus per cf does it generate)?

    Please explain how any amount of research narrows that gap. The laws of physics would love to know.

    Or go take your speed limit IQ off and go start another Kavanaugh thread on something you don't 'care about'...
    You needed all those words to say that fossil fuels are the cheapest available energy source. Nice work Captain obvious.

    That being said, why are you scared to invest in alternative energy sources?
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.

    Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically.

    It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.
    There is so much stupid in the above where to start? It should be obvious the fly is attracted to the idea of compressed air because it involves hot air...

    HondoFS
    Then what was your point by saying it's not competitive economically? You do realize that over time with more research and when you scale things is when they get more economically viable. Right?
    What is the energy density of natural gas under pressure in a salt dome (i.e. how many btus can be released through burning a cf of stored natural gas)?
    What is the energy density of compressed air (including efficiency losses) utilized by running it through a turbine (i.e. how many equivalent btus per cf does it generate)?

    Please explain how any amount of research narrows that gap. The laws of physics would love to know.

    Or go take your speed limit IQ off and go start another Kavanaugh thread on something you don't 'care about'...
    You needed all those words to say that fossil fuels are the cheapest available energy source. Nice work Captain obvious.

    That being said, why are you scared to invest in alternative energy sources?
    Has nothing to do with just being the cheapest moron...has to do with simple energy density. As in orders of magnitude difference. Something your average 5th grader could probably understand, which puts it out of your capabilities...

    I have no problem at all with investing...but its HondoFS to invest in ideas that literally have no chance of being competitive. Its FS to spend billions commercializing a technology that even if it approaches its theoretical peak 20 years from now will still not become in any way, shape, or form, an economically viable alternative. You are much better off spending that money on early research intro ideas/technology that at least has a chance.

    HondoFS...
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,326 Standard Supporter
    Pumped storage can work in some places. However , hydro currently comprises 6% of the US electrical production. You think you can double that with pumped storage? We have pretty much damned all the prime spots in the US and we aren't building new dams we are tearing them down. No new Grand Coulees or Hoover Dams are out there. I'm happy to support marginal production increases like pumped storage. But the first thing the greens and crony capitalists will tell us is how great this new technology is - cheap and efficient. Then they ask for massive federal subsidies - because it isn't cheap and efficient. Pumping compressed air into a salt dome and then using the pressure to run turbines when power is needed is not advanced technology. It just doesn't pencil out without subsidies or government mandates.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,791 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    Hondo world where tax breaks for domestic capital investment are the same thing as government blank checks.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,187 Standard Supporter
    Cheap renewable energy isn't the real problem.

    Cheap renewable energy storage is the problem.

    HTH
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,187 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.

    Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically.

    It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.
    There is so much stupid in the above where to start? It should be obvious the fly is attracted to the idea of compressed air because it involves hot air...

    HondoFS
    Then what was your point by saying it's not competitive economically? You do realize that over time with more research and when you scale things is when they get more economically viable. Right?
    What is the energy density of natural gas under pressure in a salt dome (i.e. how many btus can be released through burning a cf of stored natural gas)?
    What is the energy density of compressed air (including efficiency losses) utilized by running it through a turbine (i.e. how many equivalent btus per cf does it generate)?

    Please explain how any amount of research narrows that gap. The laws of physics would love to know.

    Or go take your speed limit IQ off and go start another Kavanaugh thread on something you don't 'care about'...
    You needed all those words to say that fossil fuels are the cheapest available energy source. Nice work Captain obvious.

    That being said, why are you scared to invest in alternative energy sources?
    People invest to make money.

    HTH again.

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,326 Standard Supporter
    Leftards steal other people's money to make investments in things that no one will invest in except the government which contains morons like hondo who have very strong feelings and love to curry the campaign contributions of crony capitalists.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    edited September 2019
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
    Yet you don't care about billions diverted from the military to pay for a wall that won't accomplish anything and will enrich those contractors. Funny how your math works.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,860 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
    Yet you don't care about billions diverted from the military to pay for a wall that won't accomplish anything and will enrich those contractors. Funny how your math works.
    Walls dont work?

    Idiot
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
    Yet you don't care about billions diverted from the military to pay for a wall that won't accomplish anything and will enrich those contractors. Funny how your math works.
    They're building a wall. Solyndra fatties just built their wallets.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
    Yet you don't care about billions diverted from the military to pay for a wall that won't accomplish anything and will enrich those contractors. Funny how your math works.
    Walls dont work?

    Idiot
    Not when the majority of illegals enter the country legally then over stay their visa. And not when the barrier can still be defeated. Just because your house is locked, no one can break in? If you live in a gated community with walls, no one ever steals anything?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,860 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
    Yet you don't care about billions diverted from the military to pay for a wall that won't accomplish anything and will enrich those contractors. Funny how your math works.
    Walls dont work?

    Idiot
    Not when the majority of illegals enter the country legally then over stay their visa. And not when the barrier can still be defeated. Just because your house is locked, no one can break in? If you live in a gated community with walls, no one ever steals anything?
    Fuck off

    Idiot
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Yeah good thing renewable energy never got any government money.........Solyndra much?

    There's a whopping $500 million. Nice Fox news talking point however.
    500 million that went into the fat cats pockets as Solyndra immediately went bankrupt. Details bitch details.

    The dems were in full control under Obunghole yet did they stop subsidies?

    Answer up Hondo.
    Yet you don't care about billions diverted from the military to pay for a wall that won't accomplish anything and will enrich those contractors. Funny how your math works.
    Walls dont work?

    Idiot
    Not when the majority of illegals enter the country legally then over stay their visa. And not when the barrier can still be defeated. Just because your house is locked, no one can break in? If you live in a gated community with walls, no one ever steals anything?
    Yeah the 80k a month or more at the border is just a drop in the bucket compared to visa overstays. Why bother? Why not let them live with you?
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570
    Hondo doesn't see the need for a wall because he knows a wet paper bag would stop him.
    Give him credit for enlightenment and self awareness.
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