Study says renewable energy power plants will overtake natural-gas plants by 2035
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What part? That their charter is that carbon is bad, or that Tom Steyer and a bunch of environmental activists like him fund it? Or both of those are true, but it’s a completely unbiased opinion of theirs that natural gas is bad and some as of yet nonexistent technology will make it economically obsolete?Gwad said:
That is not how I interpreted the information.HoustonHusky said:What is that supposed to mean? It’s a bunch of liberal academic types who’s entire goal is minimizing carbon and who is funded by folks like Tom Steyer. You think they would have any other opinion except natural gas is bad and some future technology that doesn’t exist yet will magically make it go away?
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Jerry Jones just pushed in a billion dollars on natural gas.UW_Doog_Bot said:Well if economics are going to drive it then I guess we can remove any government subsidies for the sector.
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So what happens when the wind doesn't blow? These bogus studies ignore the cost of getting wind power from nowhere to somewhere. They also ignore the cost of having base load production. Get the government out of the energy subsidy business and then see what happens. If you leftards were serious about reducing CO2 production then we would be building nukes and building LGN export facilities to send our fracked natural gas to Europe and Asia. But then, you love to be Putin's bitch.
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By then they will have this amazing energy storage technology that doesn't yet exist but will because they are sure it will happen, and not only that but it it will be much cheaper than Natural Gas.WestlinnDuck said:So what happens when the wind doesn't blow? These bogus studies ignore the cost of getting wind power from nowhere to somewhere. They also ignore the cost of having base load production. Get the government out of the energy subsidy business and then see what happens. If you leftards were serious about reducing CO2 production then we would be building nukes and building LGN export facilities to send our fracked natural gas to Europe and Asia. But then, you love to be Putin's bitch.
I think part of the storage technology involves capturing the energy of rainbows... -
A simple way to store the energy is to use the solar and wind power to pump water, uphill, to a reservoir and the let the water flow down through a turbine, as needed. It’s been done and is more environmentally friendly than batteries.WestlinnDuck said:So what happens when the wind doesn't blow? These bogus studies ignore the cost of getting wind power from nowhere to somewhere. They also ignore the cost of having base load production. Get the government out of the energy subsidy business and then see what happens. If you leftards were serious about reducing CO2 production then we would be building nukes and building LGN export facilities to send our fracked natural gas to Europe and Asia. But then, you love to be Putin's bitch.
https://theconversation.com/how-pushing-water-uphill-can-solve-our-renewable-energy-issues-28196 -
Not sure if a whoosh, but The physics don’t seem to add up there unless you’re also tapping underground springs higher up the Hill.USMChawk said:
A simple way to store the energy is to use the solar and wind power to pump water, uphill, to a reservoir and the let the water flow down through a turbine, as needed. It’s been done and is more environmentally friendly than batteries.WestlinnDuck said:So what happens when the wind doesn't blow? These bogus studies ignore the cost of getting wind power from nowhere to somewhere. They also ignore the cost of having base load production. Get the government out of the energy subsidy business and then see what happens. If you leftards were serious about reducing CO2 production then we would be building nukes and building LGN export facilities to send our fracked natural gas to Europe and Asia. But then, you love to be Putin's bitch.
https://theconversation.com/how-pushing-water-uphill-can-solve-our-renewable-energy-issues-28196
But maybe off River is feasible. I do wonder how long the pipes will last due to them being at grade and generally on unstable ground due to that? I’m guessing there would be a ton of repair costs? -
There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.
Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically. -
The oil/gas industry never received government subsidies.
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It's not competing economically so we should just bag the idea. Imagine if we did that with the first computer or cell phone.HoustonHusky said:There have been a lot of ideas like that...another one I saw was to compress air into underground caverns and then have the compressed air drive turbines when needed.
Not horrible ideas, but hard to pull off at a massive scale and still not competitive economically. -
It can be a closed loop system so an outside source of water is not required. Although, to get a reasonable large scale, an open loop may be preferable (water tower vs. in-ground reservoir).salemcoog said:
Not sure if a whoosh, but The physics don’t seem to add up there unless you’re also tapping underground springs higher up the Hill.USMChawk said:
A simple way to store the energy is to use the solar and wind power to pump water, uphill, to a reservoir and the let the water flow down through a turbine, as needed. It’s been done and is more environmentally friendly than batteries.WestlinnDuck said:So what happens when the wind doesn't blow? These bogus studies ignore the cost of getting wind power from nowhere to somewhere. They also ignore the cost of having base load production. Get the government out of the energy subsidy business and then see what happens. If you leftards were serious about reducing CO2 production then we would be building nukes and building LGN export facilities to send our fracked natural gas to Europe and Asia. But then, you love to be Putin's bitch.
https://theconversation.com/how-pushing-water-uphill-can-solve-our-renewable-energy-issues-28196
But maybe off River is feasible. I do wonder how long the pipes will last due to them being at grade and generally on unstable ground due to that? I’m guessing there would be a ton of repair costs?
