Recruiting Questions?

sonics1993

RoadDawg55 said:

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

One more year. He was abysmal this year. Being a good recruiter means nothing if you can’t coach. That part should always come first because there really isn’t great variance between high school prospects outside of the very elite.

In college football it’s 75% about recruiting and 25% coaching. Bring in elite talent and it will show on the field. There’s a reason why they say college football is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s not x’s and o’s.

AtomicDawg

sonics1993 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

One more year. He was abysmal this year. Being a good recruiter means nothing if you can’t coach. That part should always come first because there really isn’t great variance between high school prospects outside of the very elite.

In college football it’s 75% about recruiting and 25% coaching. Bring in elite talent and it will show on the field. There’s a reason why they say college football is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s not x’s and o’s.

He chose not to play the talent anyways. I can see both sides of the argument. The staff has really messed this up.

sonics1993

AtomicDawg said:

sonics1993 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

One more year. He was abysmal this year. Being a good recruiter means nothing if you can’t coach. That part should always come first because there really isn’t great variance between high school prospects outside of the very elite.

In college football it’s 75% about recruiting and 25% coaching. Bring in elite talent and it will show on the field. There’s a reason why they say college football is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s not x’s and o’s.

He chose not to play the talent anyways. I can see both sides of the argument. The staff has really messed this up.

I’m not that high on that young talent and it’s not surprising to me that neither Osborne nor Spiker can’t see the field in there second year. These guys weren’t can’t miss talents and it’s going to take a couple years for them to develop and considering they got no coaching last year, there development has been delayed.

AtomicDawg

sonics1993 said:

AtomicDawg said:

sonics1993 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

One more year. He was abysmal this year. Being a good recruiter means nothing if you can’t coach. That part should always come first because there really isn’t great variance between high school prospects outside of the very elite.

In college football it’s 75% about recruiting and 25% coaching. Bring in elite talent and it will show on the field. There’s a reason why they say college football is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s not x’s and o’s.

He chose not to play the talent anyways. I can see both sides of the argument. The staff has really messed this up.

I’m not that high on that young talent and it’s not surprising to me that neither Osborne nor Spiker can’t see the field in there second year. These guys weren’t can’t miss talents and it’s going to take a couple years for them to develop and considering they got no coaching last year, there development has been delayed.

Spiker Bynum and Osborne are not great. Puka has a Chance to be pretty good i think.
The point is the people in front of them were failing at a rate that anyone with eyes could tell. Opera sucked and was a liability. Chico couldn’t offer much. Neither of them nor fuller can block at all.

Bynum has made some mistakes but has also improved and can do things like get a first down after the catch. Puka showed playmaking ability. Spiker was at least not worthless.

Give the young non midgets a chance. They can’t be worse. It’s really not that hard. Get them reps.

sonics1993

AtomicDawg said:

sonics1993 said:

AtomicDawg said:

sonics1993 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

One more year. He was abysmal this year. Being a good recruiter means nothing if you can’t coach. That part should always come first because there really isn’t great variance between high school prospects outside of the very elite.

In college football it’s 75% about recruiting and 25% coaching. Bring in elite talent and it will show on the field. There’s a reason why they say college football is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s not x’s and o’s.

He chose not to play the talent anyways. I can see both sides of the argument. The staff has really messed this up.

I’m not that high on that young talent and it’s not surprising to me that neither Osborne nor Spiker can’t see the field in there second year. These guys weren’t can’t miss talents and it’s going to take a couple years for them to develop and considering they got no coaching last year, there development has been delayed.

Spiker Bynum and Osborne are not great. Puka has a Chance to be pretty good i think.
The point is the people in front of them were failing at a rate that anyone with eyes could tell. Opera sucked and was a liability. Chico couldn’t offer much. Neither of them nor fuller can block at all.

Bynum has made some mistakes but has also improved and can do things like get a first down after the catch. Puka showed playmaking ability. Spiker was at least not worthless.

Give the young non midgets a chance. They can’t be worse. It’s really not that hard. Get them reps.

Andre’s snap decreased drastically in the second half of the season, Chico barely payed, spiker got injured which is why he didn’t play the last three games, Fuller had his moments. I agree that Puka and Bynum should have played sooner and Andre and Chico shouldn’t have played as much to begin the season. My hope is we change to a new scheme that allows the WR’s to learn the playbook faster so they can get on the field faster. Bynum, Puka and Mcmillian have the potential to be a great trio and I’m excited to see how Junior develops them.

backthepack

Rome, Jalen, TB, and Puka>>

RoadDawg55

sonics1993 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

One more year. He was abysmal this year. Being a good recruiter means nothing if you can’t coach. That part should always come first because there really isn’t great variance between high school prospects outside of the very elite.

In college football it’s 75% about recruiting and 25% coaching. Bring in elite talent and it will show on the field. There’s a reason why they say college football is about the Jimmy’s and Joe’s not x’s and o’s.

Don’t agree because we don’t get a lot of 5 star talent and that has historically been the case. There are schools that do get talent that aren’t very good such as USC and Tennessee under Butch Jones. Mississippi with Hugh Freeze, UCLA with Mora, etc. Coaching is much more important.

If it was all about Jimmy and Joe’s teams like Kansas State, Wisconsin, WSU, etc would never be good. I know we aspire to be better as we should, but if it was 75% jimmy and joes, that wouldn’t happen. LSU, Florida, FSU, etc would never Suck.

LSU isn’t remarkably more talented this year. They just have confidence because the coaching and scheme are much better and has put those players in a better situation to succeed. Once they taste success, it becomes contagious.

On top of that, the lesser schools actually do get talented players at times, they are just overlooked. There are only so many guys the TBS rankers can see and a lot of it is somewhat political based on where they play, how many times the rankers have watched them, what camps they attempted, their initial rankings their sophomore year, what programs are aware of them and have evaluated and offered them, etc.

Despite all the coaching changes, we are frequently ranked 15-25th in recruiting. That really hasn’t changed since Sark. It’s a little bit better now, but not by a huge margin.

I don’t think we have enough talent to beat the top teams in CFB, but we didn’t go 7-5 because of our talent. We lost to a bunch of teams with less talent on paper.

So how is recruiting so much more important? I think the reality is you guys enjoy recruiting and the thrill of it so much it clouds your judgement about what really is of the utmost importance.

I know we doog out when we get a 4 star like Osborne and even Bynum, but there are tons of 3 stars that are just as good or better. The gap is very very small. The vast majority of our players have some talent but need to be developed and put in the best position to be successful. We have done a bad job of that lately.

Would you rather have the 10th best class and suspect, average coaching or the 20th best with great coaching? Yeah, we want both, blah, blah, but the easy answer is with great coaching. And like I said, the margin between 10th and 20th is really quite small.

Tequilla

sonics1993 said:

Tequilla said:

Adams should be on a hot seat ... very unimpressive season by the WRs

The last thing you need is more turnover for that room, you’re not going to fix that room in one year. Recruiting wise he’s killing it and on the field you saw flashes from the young wide receivers.

I agree that I wouldn’t pull the plug after this year ...

That being said, it wasn’t a strong year this year for him on the on field side of things

Tequilla

Recruiting rankings only matter so much once you get on campus ...

Once on campus you got to prove it to earn your snake ...

The corollary to the NFL is 1st round picks should be sure things ... we know that a high % of those turn out to not live up to expectations

Meek

Tequilla said:

Recruiting rankings only matter so much once you get on campus ...

Once on campus you got to prove it to earn your snake keep your couch...

The corollary to the NFL is 1st round picks should be sure things ... we know that a high % of those turn out to not live up to expectations

you're correct, but just thought I'd crisp it up.