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51% of mass shooters in 2019 were black, 29% were white, and 11% were Latino.
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I've seen some bad posts. This has to be the worst I've ever seen. Any other intentionally skewed and misleading stats you'd like to present to the rest of the class? Shooting multiple people in a gang related drive by or something of that nature is not to be categorized in the same category as indiscriminate or racially motivated mass shootings with the intent to kill as many people as possible. Gang bangers shooting at multiple other gang bangers is not to be put in the same category as somebody walking into a Walmart with an assault rifle and gunning down 20 people. They are two completely different forms of gun violence. One is gang or drug related and the body count isn't nearly as large on average per shooting and the other is indiscriminate or racially motivated with a much larger average body count.
When it comes to indiscriminate mass shootings or racially motivated mass shootings, that's almost exclusively a young white male thing and/or a right-wing extremist thing. If black people or Arabic Islamic extremists were going into malls, movie theaters, or schools and shooting up a bunch of white people in this country, there would be mass hysteria from the right-wing. But because the shooters are almost always white guys you never hear a peep out of them besides condolences for the families. No proactive attempts at legislation to prevent more mass shootings from happening. They'd rather cash their checks from the NRA and do nothing. Corrupt bastards. -
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Welp, we had a good run in this threadStrongArmCobra said:I've seen some bad posts. This has to be the worst I've ever seen. Any other intentionally skewed and misleading stats you'd like to present to the rest of the class? Shooting multiple people in a gang related drive by or something of that nature is not to be categorized in the same category as indiscriminate or racially motivated mass shootings with the intent to kill as many people as possible. Gang bangers shooting at multiple other gang bangers is not to be put in the same category as somebody walking into a Walmart with an assault rifle and gunning down 20 people. They are two completely different forms of gun violence. One is gang or drug related and the body count isn't nearly as large on average per shooting and the other is indiscriminate or racially motivated with a much larger average body count.
When it comes to indiscriminate mass shootings or racially motivated mass shootings, that's almost exclusively a young white male thing and/or a right-wing extremist thing. If black people or Arabic Islamic extremists were going into malls, movie theaters, or schools and shooting up a bunch of white people in this country, there would be mass hysteria from the right-wing. But because the shooters are almost always white guys you never hear a peep out of them besides condolences for the families. No proactive attempts at legislation to prevent more mass shootings from happening. They'd rather cash their checks from the NRA and do nothing. Corrupt bastards.
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Democrats for sure are responsible for their actions. And I hate it when they use tragedy to push their agenda. My biggest issue is really neither side is doing anything about it. And it should come from the NRA, as you said, they used to be a safety organization. Democrats have good intentions but are very bad at messaging (I'm taking the lunatic fringe "confiscate guns" folks out of this discussion). And the NRA just wants to add more guns to the mix. Neither is productive.Swaye said:
I disagree. It's perspective. I would say the Democrats who constantly demonize them and press for more gun control are responsible for their actions. This is absolutely a two way street. The Brady Bill started it in earnest, and the Federal Assault Weapon ban institutionalized it. That is when the DNC en masse went against the NRA, and the NRA did the same to them. It has been a hate hate relationship ever since, and neither side has any incentive to close the gap.2001400ex said:
I'm more cynical about the NRA than you are. While Democrats are shitty and not making the problem better, it's not their fault that the NRA isn't doing anything to help the problems, the NRA is accountable for their actions. The NRA is there to promote gun manufacturers. That's not where they started, but that's where they have been the last 20 years.Swaye said:
The issue is, and I am not trying to make this a shit throwing thing because I have been amazed at how level headed this has been so far, is that the NRA feels attacked right now. They see themselves as the last bulwark between freedom and lunatics who hate THEM. Rightly or wrongly.2001400ex said:
The process should be easy for responsible, knowledgeable gun owners. There's got to be a way for those owners to have easy access. At the same time, people who don't have training or respect for guns, have a few more loopholes before they can exercise their rights. The thinking there is: very very few of these Mass shootings are by gun owners with the proper training. It's usually fucked up people who decide to buy a few guns with little to no barriers.GrundleStiltzkin said:And regarding background checks, my experience as a buyer has been fine. It's been far too long since I've bought a long gun but it was easy. I bought a pistol for my wife a while back, and it was simple with my CPL.
I wish the NRA would step in to fix it.
The NRA could fix this tomorrow. If they called every member of the GOP and said look, we are now for closing all background check loopholes it would be done in a day. The issue is, to me, that some Dems have so vilified the NRA (and its members) that the NRA brass would now refuse to piss on those Dems if they were on fire. I think, perhaps wrongly, that if some of the DNC toned down the rhetoric and actually tried true engagement with the NRA to work toward incremental solutions, something might get done. But in the current climate where Bloomberg and others trash them and their membership every single day, and the NRA gives it right back to them, there is zero chance of that happening.
As others have mentioned, I sometimes wonder if the gun debate is about making real changes, or just a campaign issue to keep everyone pissed off, fired up, and donating (on both sides).
But laying all this at the NRAs feet is BS. They are certainly a party to it, but the DNC is an equal partner in the acrimony.
I do agree, as a Life NRA member and guy who got my first real professional safety training from them in the early 80's as a kid, that the NRA has strayed from their core mission the last couple of decades. That change also coincided with the AWB I might add. The NRA saw safety in money, and cozied up to the gun manufacturers as a way to increase their power. I am very much nonplussed that half the shit I receive from the NRA now is offers to buy insurance or some other bullshit. That is not their mission - it is gun safety and the last 30 years protection of the 2nd Amendment. But, they are still the best game in town to protect my rights, even if they aren't what they once were.
My true fear is that this continues as is for a while, with no one doing anything. Then it breeds something so tragic that people rights to own guns are truly taken away. Whereas the NRA and Democrats could step in now, find common ground, and get something passed before it's too late. -
This guy is right you know. Democrats are hurting their own case. I pointed this out this weekend and got panned for it
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Unless the Democrats in office have taken zero money from the NRA, they are just as corrupt as the Republicans who have. There will never be any guns taken away from any responsible gun owners. Guns are already taken away from people who have committed violent felonies. The next step is federal background checks for the purchase of fire arms. Over 90% of the country wants that to happen but it still hasn't yet because too many politicians on both sides are in bed with the NRA. We have to elect people who are not taking bribe money.2001400ex said:
Democrats for sure are responsible for their actions. And I hate it when they use tragedy to push their agenda. My biggest issue is really neither side is doing anything about it. And it should come from the NRA, as you said, they used to be a safety organization. Democrats have good intentions but are very bad at messaging (I'm taking the lunatic fringe "confiscate guns" folks out of this discussion). And the NRA just wants to add more guns to the mix. Neither is productive.Swaye said:
I disagree. It's perspective. I would say the Democrats who constantly demonize them and press for more gun control are responsible for their actions. This is absolutely a two way street. The Brady Bill started it in earnest, and the Federal Assault Weapon ban institutionalized it. That is when the DNC en masse went against the NRA, and the NRA did the same to them. It has been a hate hate relationship ever since, and neither side has any incentive to close the gap.2001400ex said:
I'm more cynical about the NRA than you are. While Democrats are shitty and not making the problem better, it's not their fault that the NRA isn't doing anything to help the problems, the NRA is accountable for their actions. The NRA is there to promote gun manufacturers. That's not where they started, but that's where they have been the last 20 years.Swaye said:
The issue is, and I am not trying to make this a shit throwing thing because I have been amazed at how level headed this has been so far, is that the NRA feels attacked right now. They see themselves as the last bulwark between freedom and lunatics who hate THEM. Rightly or wrongly.2001400ex said:
The process should be easy for responsible, knowledgeable gun owners. There's got to be a way for those owners to have easy access. At the same time, people who don't have training or respect for guns, have a few more loopholes before they can exercise their rights. The thinking there is: very very few of these Mass shootings are by gun owners with the proper training. It's usually fucked up people who decide to buy a few guns with little to no barriers.GrundleStiltzkin said:And regarding background checks, my experience as a buyer has been fine. It's been far too long since I've bought a long gun but it was easy. I bought a pistol for my wife a while back, and it was simple with my CPL.
I wish the NRA would step in to fix it.
The NRA could fix this tomorrow. If they called every member of the GOP and said look, we are now for closing all background check loopholes it would be done in a day. The issue is, to me, that some Dems have so vilified the NRA (and its members) that the NRA brass would now refuse to piss on those Dems if they were on fire. I think, perhaps wrongly, that if some of the DNC toned down the rhetoric and actually tried true engagement with the NRA to work toward incremental solutions, something might get done. But in the current climate where Bloomberg and others trash them and their membership every single day, and the NRA gives it right back to them, there is zero chance of that happening.
As others have mentioned, I sometimes wonder if the gun debate is about making real changes, or just a campaign issue to keep everyone pissed off, fired up, and donating (on both sides).
But laying all this at the NRAs feet is BS. They are certainly a party to it, but the DNC is an equal partner in the acrimony.
I do agree, as a Life NRA member and guy who got my first real professional safety training from them in the early 80's as a kid, that the NRA has strayed from their core mission the last couple of decades. That change also coincided with the AWB I might add. The NRA saw safety in money, and cozied up to the gun manufacturers as a way to increase their power. I am very much nonplussed that half the shit I receive from the NRA now is offers to buy insurance or some other bullshit. That is not their mission - it is gun safety and the last 30 years protection of the 2nd Amendment. But, they are still the best game in town to protect my rights, even if they aren't what they once were.
My true fear is that this continues as is for a while, with no one doing anything. Then it breeds something so tragic that people rights to own guns are truly taken away. Whereas the NRA and Democrats could step in now, find common ground, and get something passed before it's too late. -
What is this? Two cherry picked mass shootings? One is in Africa. We're talking about fucking America here.RaceBannon said:
A Turkish immigrant? Cool, nobody said ONLY white people commit these mass shootings. Just that the majority of them are committed by young white men here in America. White people need to get control of their fucking children and the government needs to do something to help prevent this from happening. This shit is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable for our country. -
I agree with Swaye but I have to ask that if we are limiting constitutional rights where does it stop? How about an IQ, background check, mental exam and drug test to vote?
Government is already far too intrusive and overbearing.
Purchasers already undergo background checks. So no prior violent or felonious convictions. Gun safety isn't rocket science. We should really teach it in elementary school. It would save lives.
Red flag has the legal dilemma of zero due process. Someone can make an accusation that's absolutely baseless and the accused has to prove his innocence. Sounds completely un-American. Some sort of provable verifiable threat fine. Present that evidence to a judge in a process similar to a search or arrest warrant.
Mental illness is a problem. As I said before pretty much every school shooter has been on anti depressants. Many on ADD drugs as well. Should people taking these or others have firearms ownership suspended?
So many factors come into play it's nearly impossible to cover every possibility.
The 2nd amendment is a limit upon our government not a limit upon our citizens. The government having total say on who can purchase and own is a dangerous thing
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Just a few thoughts on the subject.
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Facts are your worst enemy, #ShittyLawyerWhoCan'tGetHisFactsStraight, #HHuskyIsRacist.HHusky said:It’s always predictable how the apologists will package the “facts”.
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The Ballz vs Gaybob face off we didn't know we needed is here. Loser gets permabanned from the board.
