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Peterman
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It was 1989, remember it well. 1988 had Tim Rosenbach. Also seriously doubt that team would have only won 5 games. And would have probably won 6 games without Tim.
And thats the reason why 1989 team altho losing a Key player, losing 4 straight, STILL didnt only win 5 games and won at least 6 games.
As for either the 1991 or 1993 season where Mike Pattinson went down and lost the last 4 straight games to finish 5-6, that is on Price because there is no doubt that Leach would have won at least 6,7 games instead of 5, and WSU had if I remember right Aaron Garcia, Brad Gossen, etc, who were either almost just as good as Mike Pattinson, or good enough thst theu should have bern able to win at least 6,7,8 games and have gone to a bowl game, Mike Price and those players really underachieved that year, even with the injury to Mike Pattinson.
I, others, we get why you think this, based on past history.
Thing is tho this is NOT like the past.
THIS IS MIKE FCKING LEACH
And this is OME OF THE DEEPEST BEST TEAMS WSU HAS HAD IN A SINGLE SEASON ON PAPER PRESEASON, RANKINGS, TALENT, COACHING, ETC.
While not a good comparison, Alabama is the closest thing I can think of right now.
Alabama could lose a QB or 2, suffer key injuries, and would still win 10, 11,12 games, because its Alabama, the depth, talent SABAN, etc.
And while I am not saying WSU is like a Alabama in Pac 12 this season, it WSU is Semi Alabama Esque this season, in that WSU could lose, have injured, both Gage, Gordon, Borghi, 1,2,3 starting WR, 1 starting OL, 1 starter at each of DL, LB, Secondary, eben one of either Thomas or Beekman, ALL COMBINED, AT DAME TIME and STILL COULD GRIND OUT 6,7 WINS SEMI ALABAMA ESQUE WISE.
And thats saying something that it would take MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LOTS OF INJURIES to have WSU only win 5 games
Basically there is a .03% chance, probability, that WSU only wins 5 games.
Is it theoretically possible? Yes. Will it happen? No
Just like with Alabama. Could Alabama theoretically only win 5,6,7,8,9 games, if Alabama suffered a massive amount of, lots of injuries ? Yes, Would that happen? No
And before you say that WSU is not that good.
Either Soonerhea or a poster like a Soonerhea, posted a link to at least a semi credible, semi popular, media expert, pundit,ranker like a Ken Pom, etc, that ranked WSU at either #10 in nation same as the CBS like one that ranked WSU #10 in nation, or #5 in nation, and 5th behind only Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Notre Dame to goto play offs, win national championship.
Yes they thought, think WSU can, has a high chance of going to playoffs, playing in, winning the National Championship.
Or at least did until Jalen Thompson happened.
That was also not some WSU fan, etc, but a neutral, objective, semi credible, semi popular expert, pundit, ranker, poll, etc.
A team like that that is ranked between #5 to #27.
A team that has players on watchlist, highly havored to win prestigous awards at almost every position(Outland, Rimington, etc)
A team that has the 5,6th best WR Corp in nation, and either best, tied for best WR Corp ever in WSU history ON PAPER.
A team like that does not only win 5 games.
Heck even my mother could probably QB WSU to 5 wins with Leach, OL, WR Corp, Air Raid, how good this WSU team is.
The thing you have got to get is:
THIS IS NOT THE SAME POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU IN, OF THE PAST THAT WOULD, COULD ONLY WIN 5 GAMES, WITH A GOOD TEAM, WITH A KEY INJURY, ETC
THIS IS A DIFFERENT WSU WITH MIKE FCKIN LEACH, WITH ONE OF THE BEST WSU TEAMS EVER IN ALL OF WSU HISTORY ON PAPER, TALENT, COACHING, ETC, WISE
Is it theoretically possible for WSU to only win 5? Yes.
Will, would that happen? HELL NO
And since thats the case l, then you dont need to mention, bring up WSU only winning 5 games, even as a part of a range.
Thats POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU LOSER CULTURE MENTALITY.
https://washingtonstate.forums.rivals.com/threads/pac-12-preseason-media-poll.18232/
And thats the reason why 1989 team altho losing a Key player, losing 4 straight, STILL didnt only win 5 games and won at least 6 games.
As for either the 1991 or 1993 season where Mike Pattinson went down and lost the last 4 straight games to finish 5-6, that is on Price because there is no doubt that Leach would have won at least 6,7 games instead of 5, and WSU had if I remember right Aaron Garcia, Brad Gossen, etc, who were either almost just as good as Mike Pattinson, or good enough thst theu should have bern able to win at least 6,7,8 games and have gone to a bowl game, Mike Price and those players really underachieved that year, even with the injury to Mike Pattinson.
I, others, we get why you think this, based on past history.
Thing is tho this is NOT like the past.
THIS IS MIKE FCKING LEACH
And this is OME OF THE DEEPEST BEST TEAMS WSU HAS HAD IN A SINGLE SEASON ON PAPER PRESEASON, RANKINGS, TALENT, COACHING, ETC.
While not a good comparison, Alabama is the closest thing I can think of right now.
Alabama could lose a QB or 2, suffer key injuries, and would still win 10, 11,12 games, because its Alabama, the depth, talent SABAN, etc.
And while I am not saying WSU is like a Alabama in Pac 12 this season, it WSU is Semi Alabama Esque this season, in that WSU could lose, have injured, both Gage, Gordon, Borghi, 1,2,3 starting WR, 1 starting OL, 1 starter at each of DL, LB, Secondary, eben one of either Thomas or Beekman, ALL COMBINED, AT DAME TIME and STILL COULD GRIND OUT 6,7 WINS SEMI ALABAMA ESQUE WISE.
And thats saying something that it would take MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LOTS OF INJURIES to have WSU only win 5 games
Basically there is a .03% chance, probability, that WSU only wins 5 games.
Is it theoretically possible? Yes. Will it happen? No
Just like with Alabama. Could Alabama theoretically only win 5,6,7,8,9 games, if Alabama suffered a massive amount of, lots of injuries ? Yes, Would that happen? No
And before you say that WSU is not that good.
Either Soonerhea or a poster like a Soonerhea, posted a link to at least a semi credible, semi popular, media expert, pundit,ranker like a Ken Pom, etc, that ranked WSU at either #10 in nation same as the CBS like one that ranked WSU #10 in nation, or #5 in nation, and 5th behind only Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Notre Dame to goto play offs, win national championship.
Yes they thought, think WSU can, has a high chance of going to playoffs, playing in, winning the National Championship.
Or at least did until Jalen Thompson happened.
That was also not some WSU fan, etc, but a neutral, objective, semi credible, semi popular expert, pundit, ranker, poll, etc.
A team like that that is ranked between #5 to #27.
A team that has players on watchlist, highly havored to win prestigous awards at almost every position(Outland, Rimington, etc)
A team that has the 5,6th best WR Corp in nation, and either best, tied for best WR Corp ever in WSU history ON PAPER.
A team like that does not only win 5 games.
Heck even my mother could probably QB WSU to 5 wins with Leach, OL, WR Corp, Air Raid, how good this WSU team is.
The thing you have got to get is:
THIS IS NOT THE SAME POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU IN, OF THE PAST THAT WOULD, COULD ONLY WIN 5 GAMES, WITH A GOOD TEAM, WITH A KEY INJURY, ETC
THIS IS A DIFFERENT WSU WITH MIKE FCKIN LEACH, WITH ONE OF THE BEST WSU TEAMS EVER IN ALL OF WSU HISTORY ON PAPER, TALENT, COACHING, ETC, WISE
Is it theoretically possible for WSU to only win 5? Yes.
Will, would that happen? HELL NO
And since thats the case l, then you dont need to mention, bring up WSU only winning 5 games, even as a part of a range.
Thats POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU LOSER CULTURE MENTALITY.
https://washingtonstate.forums.rivals.com/threads/pac-12-preseason-media-poll.18232/
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ON PAPER, this is 1 of the best teams ever in WSU history, TALENT, coaching, etc.
The PROOF:
WSU's recruits players are the highest star recruit rankings ever in WSU HISTORY as far as AVERAGE NUMBER OF STARS PER WSU RECRUIT, PLAYER.
This WSU team has the most players in, on prestigous Awards watchlist like Outland, Rimington, etc, at almost every player, team position, that are favored to win prestigous awards, then any WSU team in WSU history.
This is the highest preseason ranked WSU team in WSU history.
No other team in WSU History, has been ranked as high as #5, #10, #19 to 29, IN THE PRESEASON, ON PAPER, like this WSU team has.
No WSU team in WSU history has had a semi credible, semi popular, expert, pundit, like a Ken Pom, ESPN like, etc, that has said that only Clemson, Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia were the only teams with a better chance to goto playoffs, etc, like this WSU team has.
No other WSU team in WSU history has had a WSU WR CORP RANKED #5,6 IN NATION, TIED FOR #1 IN PAC 12, 2ND IN PAC 12 AT WORST, like this WSU team does, has.
No other team in WSU history has had this, as much talent, as good of coaching, as much experience, as much pretty much everything, anything measurable that is as good, as this WSU team is, had, has, etc.
Because of all the above, THIS WSU TEAM IS TECHNICALLY ON PAPER EITHER THE BEST WSU TEAM EVER IN WSU HISTORY, ON PAPER. OR 1 OF THE BEST TEAMS IN WSU HISTORY, ON PAPER.
Now whether this WSU team achieves what this WSU team is ON PAPER, and achieves its ON PAPER Potential, remains to be seen.
But a team with that kind of ON PAPERNESS, does not, should not only win 5 games, and should have at least a 8-5 record at worst, and goto, and win the 3rd place, Pac 12, 3rd place bowl at worst.
That is LOGICAL, REASONABLE, RATIONAL, REALISTIC REALITY.
And anything less then that is, would be UNDERACHIEVEMENT, MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF, LOTS OF INJURIES.
You are STUCK IN WSU'S PAST IN POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU LOSER CULTURE MENTALITY.
This is NOT THE PAST, WSU HISTORY.
THIS IS NOT POOR OLE LITTLE OLE WSU
THIS IS MIKE FCKIN LEACH
THIS IS THE FCKIN BEST WSU TEAM EVER ON PAPER TALENT, COACHING, FOR REASONS THAT EXPLAINED ABOVE.
You said, mentioned, say, keep mentioning WSU's past.
Well WSU's Past has no bearing on this season for the reason explained about.
And yes WSU can lose to ANY ONE OF THE PAC 12 teams, even Ore St.
What you dont seem to get, is that while WSU could lose to any Pac 12 team, etc, and that just because thats true, does NOT mean that WSU will, could, would, should, etc, do worse then 8-5 record.
And lets say WSU loses to Ore State, WSU would still win, have a 8-5 record at worst, unless WSU has massive amounts of LOTS of Injuries to LOTS of Key players.
This is the closest WSU has ever had to having a SEMI ALABAMA SEMI ESQUE SEMI LIKE SEMI PLUG AND PLAY CONSISTENT WINNING PROGRAM, PLAYERS, RECRUITS, GOOD COACHING, ETC
I EXPECT THAT WHEN, IF, SINCE LEACH, WSU GETS AT LEAST A 8-5 RECORD, THAT LEACH, WSU WILL GET AT LEAST A 8-5 RECORD EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 1 TO 13 YEARS, UNTIL LEACH EITHER RETIRES, OR GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE TO COACH.
And anything less then that is, would be either underachieving, or Massive amounts of, Lots of injuries to lots of key players
This WR from Michigan just committed
Not offered by either Michigan or Michigan State, but mr talent scout pops of with this gem
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If that had happened to WSU, Ore St, etc, even with a Leach, Peterson type coach, that would be a 3,4,5,6,7 win team for either WSU, Ore St.
And before you say that that happened to WSU this year, That didnt happen to WSU this year.
WSU hasnt LOST(Not games) even close to as much as the Fuskies have this year. And even if it were close, WSU has done a pretty good job of REPLACING what they have lost.
And the fuskies have not done a good job of, and have done a bad job of replacing what they have lost ON PAPER.
And there is a limit to Plug and Play, and Plug and Play will only go so far.
And because of all that, since WSU, Ore St would only win about 3,4,5,6,7 games if they were in the fuskies shoes this season, and since the fuskies, have a traditionally better program, to the point that the fuskies would win about 5,6 5.5 games at minimum, to about 8,9, 8.5 games at maximum, in the situation they are in, instead of the 3 to 7 win range WSU, Ore St would get in their shoes, this season.
So the fuskies winning about 5,6, 5.5 to about 8,9,8.5 games is pretty realistic, based on above.
And WSU winning about 7,8,9, ave 8 wins at minimum to about 9,10, 11, ave 10 wins at maximum, with 6,7 games at worst, with only 4,5 wins almost impossible(.000001% chance), is pretty realistic.
Why?
Because WSU has a better team ON PAPER, then the fuskies this season, and have not lost(not games), as much as the fuskies, and have replaced what they have lost better, and have more TALENT, EXPERIENCE, DEPTH, ETC, then the fuskies do this season ON PAPER.
And when you, others say how can WSU be better when they lost to the fuskies? thats wrong to say, think that.
Doesnt matter in a way that WSU lost to fuskies.
WSU was 11-2 last year. Fuskies won about 8,9 games last year. WSU won their bowl game. Fuskies lost their bowl game.
So WSU was the better team, record wise, talent, etc, DESPITE losing to the fuskies.
And the ONLY reason why Fuskies even won that game is because they GOT LUCKY, SNOW, ICE, etc.
And before anybody says "But the fuskies had to play in that too", everybody should know that playing in SNOW, ICE, FAVORS the kind of team the fuskies have, over the kind of team WSU is, has.
So WSU was the better team last season then the fuskies.
And WSU is the better team then the fuskies, this season, no matter what happens vs the fuskies.
And because of that WSU's win range is 1,2, 2.5 wins on both the low side, high side then the fuskies
So that means that the fuskies win about 5,6, 5.5 games at minimum to about 8,9, 8.5 wins at maximum, and about 7 wins at average
And WSU should win about 6,7, 8, ave of 7 games at minimum, to about 9,10,11, ave of 10 games at maximum, and about 8.5 games at average, which is also their over, under.
Thats realistic, Logical