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The Democratic Field and Apologies
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Hondo the fucking coward declares that the Rat Party Presidential field is awful because he doesn't want to defend any of the candidates or admit who he will vote for. He then denounces you because you also think they're awful.2001400ex said:
Lol the campaigns haven't even really began. I will say right now the field is awful. But no matter who enters, you'll think they are awful regardless. Why are you surprised?Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
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The game plan makes no fucking sense. Trump proved that there is an entite contingent of blue collar white people who were forgotten by the DNC. That blind spot single handedly lost them the election.Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
So what's the response? Veer further to the left and continue to demonstrate that they have nothing to offer that lost contingent. Working class whites don't care about social justice, police reform, or increased access to college. They only marginally care about healthcare (a job will solve that for them). -
Nailed it. All Dems have to do to win is give more than lip service to blue collar workers in the midwest. They would win in a landslide. Instead they go all in on The War on Coal and Oil and Gas and anything that isn't a windmill, transgender bathrooms, raising taxes (always popular lulz), open borders and ICE abolishment, and UBI. All huge losers with middle America.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The game plan makes no fucking sense. Trump proved that there is an entite contingent of blue collar white people who were forgotten by the DNC. That blind spot single handedly lost them the election.Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
So what's the response? Veer further to the left and continue to demonstrate that they have nothing to offer that lost contingent. Working class whites don't care about social jus, tice, police reform, or increased access to college. They only marginally care about healthcare (a job will solve that for them).
News flash dumbfuck Dems - you already have the upper East Coast and the Left Coast. Going more retard on socialism will not help you win the electoral college. The people you are appealing to in Portland and Boston were voting for you anyway. Dumbasses. -
Someone needs to show Mercer Island the National County results again.allpurpleallgold said:
@SwayePitchfork51 said:What is up with you losers and the popular vote. The rules are agreed on beforehand.
"We got more yards and had better sportsmanship! We really should have won!"
“Nobody wants to vote for loser democrats because they’re so weak, unlike Trump”
@apag
“More people voted for Hillary than Trump”
@You
“I’m too fucking stupid to comprehend what is happening but he said something about the popular vote so I’ll regurgitate the same fucktarded points that have been made a thousand times before because I literally can’t think for myself”
You’re out of your element, Donny.
99.81% of it is red. -
No, our resident progressives told me that the centrists and independents are all going to "fall in line" like good comrades if they get a ideologically pure enough candidate in there.Swaye said:
Nailed it. All Dems have to do to win is give more than lip service to blue collar workers in the midwest. They would win in a landslide. Instead they go all in on The War on Coal and Oil and Gas and anything that isn't a windmill, transgender bathrooms, raising taxes (always popular lulz), open borders and ICE abolishment, and UBI. All huge losers with middle America.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The game plan makes no fucking sense. Trump proved that there is an entite contingent of blue collar white people who were forgotten by the DNC. That blind spot single handedly lost them the election.Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
So what's the response? Veer further to the left and continue to demonstrate that they have nothing to offer that lost contingent. Working class whites don't care about social jus, tice, police reform, or increased access to college. They only marginally care about healthcare (a job will solve that for them).
News flash dumbfuck Dems - you already have the upper East Coast and the Left Coast. Going more retard on socialism will not help you win the electoral college. The people you are appealing to in Portland and Boston were voting for you anyway. Dumbasses. -
Gerrymandering got you gassed up.salemcoog said:
Someone needs to show Mercer Island the National County results again.allpurpleallgold said:
@SwayePitchfork51 said:What is up with you losers and the popular vote. The rules are agreed on beforehand.
"We got more yards and had better sportsmanship! We really should have won!"
“Nobody wants to vote for loser democrats because they’re so weak, unlike Trump”
@apag
“More people voted for Hillary than Trump”
@You
“I’m too fucking stupid to comprehend what is happening but he said something about the popular vote so I’ll regurgitate the same fucktarded points that have been made a thousand times before because I literally can’t think for myself”
You’re out of your element, Donny.
99.81% of it is red. -
Nobody has to convince me that the Dems have, or will, shit themselves again. What a terrible group when it comes to strategy. Just terrible.UW_Doog_Bot said:
No, our resident progressives told me that the centrists and independents are all going to "fall in line" like good comrades if they get a ideologically pure enough candidate in there.Swaye said:
Nailed it. All Dems have to do to win is give more than lip service to blue collar workers in the midwest. They would win in a landslide. Instead they go all in on The War on Coal and Oil and Gas and anything that isn't a windmill, transgender bathrooms, raising taxes (always popular lulz), open borders and ICE abolishment, and UBI. All huge losers with middle America.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The game plan makes no fucking sense. Trump proved that there is an entite contingent of blue collar white people who were forgotten by the DNC. That blind spot single handedly lost them the election.Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
So what's the response? Veer further to the left and continue to demonstrate that they have nothing to offer that lost contingent. Working class whites don't care about social jus, tice, police reform, or increased access to college. They only marginally care about healthcare (a job will solve that for them).
News flash dumbfuck Dems - you already have the upper East Coast and the Left Coast. Going more retard on socialism will not help you win the electoral college. The people you are appealing to in Portland and Boston were voting for you anyway. Dumbasses.
But I wonder: where are the centrist Republicans? Where is my group who isn't much more excited about the hijacking of the party by the Neo-populists and Christian bananas than they are about Pocahontas and her band of liberal Indians (sorry @Swaye ; didn't mean it like that)?
Where do they "fall in line"? Or do they just stay home and "say fug it"!? -
Trump is not a christian right candidate. Once upon a time more Christians felt at home as democrats than they do now. They vote. They have to vote for someone. Should i go for the party of Tahlib? That's the religion the let has adopted. Live with the consequence.creepycoug said:
Nobody has to convince me that the Dems have, or will, shit themselves again. What a terrible group when it comes to strategy. Just terrible.UW_Doog_Bot said:
No, our resident progressives told me that the centrists and independents are all going to "fall in line" like good comrades if they get a ideologically pure enough candidate in there.Swaye said:
Nailed it. All Dems have to do to win is give more than lip service to blue collar workers in the midwest. They would win in a landslide. Instead they go all in on The War on Coal and Oil and Gas and anything that isn't a windmill, transgender bathrooms, raising taxes (always popular lulz), open borders and ICE abolishment, and UBI. All huge losers with middle America.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The game plan makes no fucking sense. Trump proved that there is an entite contingent of blue collar white people who were forgotten by the DNC. That blind spot single handedly lost them the election.Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
So what's the response? Veer further to the left and continue to demonstrate that they have nothing to offer that lost contingent. Working class whites don't care about social jus, tice, police reform, or increased access to college. They only marginally care about healthcare (a job will solve that for them).
News flash dumbfuck Dems - you already have the upper East Coast and the Left Coast. Going more retard on socialism will not help you win the electoral college. The people you are appealing to in Portland and Boston were voting for you anyway. Dumbasses.
But I wonder: where are the centrist Republicans? Where is my group who isn't much more excited about the hijacking of the party by the Neo-populists and Christian bananas than they are about Pocahontas and her band of liberal Indians (sorry @Swaye ; didn't mean it like that)?
Where do they "fall in line"? Or do they just stay home and "say fug it"!?
This idea of ideological purity on religion or trade or anything else has been thrown out the window
As has the idea that Trump is somehow a dangerous change from the status quo. He and Scoop would drink whisky and fuck whores all night long
One party has sold out to illegal immigrants and the export of jobs and the destruction of the middle class
The other is "populist" I guess because Trump clearly puts the interests of Americans first. People notice shit like that
The democrats got the House back by promising to get to work on healthcare. Instead we get impeachment
A border deal could be made. Instead we get obstruction and a border swarm of illegals
You can blame the voters or you can understand why they don't vote for you anymore
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I think Trump has purposefully made himself appeal to the Christian right, and I think you know that. It's smart. Don't twist. It's neither bad nor good from where I sit. It just is what it is. The history of who used to associate with the Democratic party is as relevant as who used to associate with the Republican party. The old Republican guard wasRaceBannon said:
Trump is not a christian right candidate. Once upon a time more Christians felt at home as democrats than they do now. They vote. They have to vote for someone. Should i go for the party of Tahlib? That's the religion the let has adopted. Live with the consequence.creepycoug said:
Nobody has to convince me that the Dems have, or will, shit themselves again. What a terrible group when it comes to strategy. Just terrible.UW_Doog_Bot said:
No, our resident progressives told me that the centrists and independents are all going to "fall in line" like good comrades if they get a ideologically pure enough candidate in there.Swaye said:
Nailed it. All Dems have to do to win is give more than lip service to blue collar workers in the midwest. They would win in a landslide. Instead they go all in on The War on Coal and Oil and Gas and anything that isn't a windmill, transgender bathrooms, raising taxes (always popular lulz), open borders and ICE abolishment, and UBI. All huge losers with middle America.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The game plan makes no fucking sense. Trump proved that there is an entite contingent of blue collar white people who were forgotten by the DNC. That blind spot single handedly lost them the election.Swaye said:
I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Trump is beatable, which makes it all the more mystifying to me that most of the democratic field is going out of their way to fuck it away again.allpurpleallgold said:
What is exactly the problem? That Hillary was the most unlikable presidential of at least my lifetime and she ran a bad campaign and it still was close? That’s a problem?pawz said:
Which is exactly the problem the DNC faces in the run up to 2020.allpurpleallgold said:Things are too easy for the guy that couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.
What's the solution? Another conspiracy theory?
Trump’s a paper tiger. No strength of schedule.
So what's the response? Veer further to the left and continue to demonstrate that they have nothing to offer that lost contingent. Working class whites don't care about social jus, tice, police reform, or increased access to college. They only marginally care about healthcare (a job will solve that for them).
News flash dumbfuck Dems - you already have the upper East Coast and the Left Coast. Going more retard on socialism will not help you win the electoral college. The people you are appealing to in Portland and Boston were voting for you anyway. Dumbasses.
But I wonder: where are the centrist Republicans? Where is my group who isn't much more excited about the hijacking of the party by the Neo-populists and Christian bananas than they are about Pocahontas and her band of liberal Indians (sorry @Swaye ; didn't mean it like that)?
Where do they "fall in line"? Or do they just stay home and "say fug it"!?
This idea of ideological purity on religion or trade or anything else has been thrown out the window
As has the idea that Trump is somehow a dangerous change from the status quo. He and Scoop would drink whisky and fuck whores all night long
One party has sold out to illegal immigrants and the export of jobs and the destruction of the middle class
The other is "populist" I guess because Trump clearly puts the interests of Americans first. People notice shit like that
The democrats got the House back by promising to get to work on healthcare. Instead we get impeachment
A border deal could be made. Instead we get obstruction and a border swarm of illegals
You can blame the voters or you can understand why they don't vote for you anymore
I'm sure not going to blame the elimination of the middle class in American on one party. That has taken years and the effort of many along with many other factors.
If the Republicans are the new nationalists and protectionists, then that's what they are. It is not in line with what the party stood for over the last many, many years. This is a change. Whether it's good or not remains to be seen. I think protectionism is a loser in the long run. But feels good in the short run. That's my take because I believe in the inevitability of economic outcomes that should be economic outcomes. Clinton may have done the ministerial job of signing NAFTA, but it was the vision of Reagan and the Heritage Foundation to have open and free trade with Latin America. I'm sure you know this. Company's have outsourced for cheaper labor under each party's watch for decades. Trump has turned Republican values on its ear.
I think you either believe in free market economis and comparative advantage or you don't. Sure, take a hard line on China. I've said as much. They cheat and they look you square in the eye and lie about it.
I think Trump is as sincere about immigration as he is about abortion. It's just smart politics. I've said it a million times: who could be for illegal immigration? I've also said a million times that it's far from our most pressing issue.
I don't blame the voters. They are what they are. Which brings me back to my first point: the democrats no longer know how to win an election.
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I blame one party because we pretty much only have one
Trump upset that little apple cart. Never Trumpers are GOP
Ideology isn't the answer. Doing something is.
The GOP lost the house by doing nothing. The Democrats say hold my beer
The only thing they agree on is not giving Trump what he wants on immigration or healthcare.
Of course Trump courts Christians. Its smart.
This idea that only Trump voters believe everything he says and aren't playing the same game everyone else plays every 4 years is ludicrous
Build a better candidate and win.
