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Those needles littering the streets? Yeah, the city handed them out - religious left strikes again
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Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
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No they don'tHHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
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Yeap, by slim margins, we should probably stop taxing american workers so hard.HHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
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Agree with the last 3 sentences. The first is probably fodder for another day.RaceBannon said:
Opportunity doesn't depend on birth. Too many horrible childhoods leading to success and rich kids dying in the gutter from drugsYellowSnow said:
I don't know that I would agree with that. We have equality before the law, but a lot of one's outcome in life depends upon you're genetic inheritance (IQ and other things) and your home environment from age zero to 18. Now life's not fucking fair and I get that and I don't want to be taxed at 50% to make it so.RaceBannon said:
Or let them die like we will need to do with senior citizens to save social security and sick people so we can have medicare for all.YellowSnow said:
But here's where my primary critique libertarianism or classical liberalism comes into play...UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that the concept of government as social engineer is outside of the premise of government as limited to protecting ones individual freedoms. Enumerated powers is a dead concept on the left.YellowSnow said:
I don't think humans have as much free will as many on the right would like to believe. But we can also agree that humans respond really well to carrots and sticks. The problem with progressive policy is that it's all carrots and no sticks.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sure, the difference being that real liberalism seeks to protect the small amount of free will individuals may have.YellowSnow said:
The correct answer is probably somewhere between free will and determinism. Neither extreme of the debate works for me.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The philosophy that individuals have no agency or free will is at the heart of progressivism.RaceBannon said:In this thread H argues that junkies have no choice or free will. Like Trump's brother who killed himself
In the other thread H argues that all you have to do is be born lucky and you'll end up a billionaire. Like Trump
As the saying goes, Kunt Logic - is there nothing it can't do?
Progressivism denies agency and seeks to eliminate any that we may possess.
If the premise of government is to secure our unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we can agree then that there is cost associated with the state protecting us from those that suck. When a large percentage of the population is sucking at life and doesn't buy into the system, government can either work towards creating more equality ofoutcomeopportunity, or we've got to spend more on prisons and policing.
We have equality of opportunity. If people suck and hate the system they can leave or die.
That's called a stick
Life isn't fair. JFK was right. But America is the last best hope. Reagan was right.
Teach kids the system is rigged against them and they have no shot and they might believe it.
There is no utopia on this earth. Only toil and trouble. Thank God for drugs
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Unfortunately it’s not a matter of opinion. There’s numbers and stuff.RaceBannon said:
No they don'tHHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
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UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeap, by slim margins, we should probably stop taxing american workers so hard.HHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
I take your point. We should emulate the UK and Canada. -
And? Lets see themHHusky said:
Unfortunately it’s not a matter of opinion. There’s numbers and stuff.RaceBannon said:
No they don'tHHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/the-american-dream-of-social-mobility-2017-3?r=US&IR=TRaceBannon said:
And? Lets see themHHusky said:
Unfortunately it’s not a matter of opinion. There’s numbers and stuff.RaceBannon said:
No they don'tHHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
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How many of those people in the bottom 5th are the illiterate dirt farmers you want to let pour in here by the millions O'Keefed?HHusky said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-american-dream-of-social-mobility-2017-3?r=US&IR=TRaceBannon said:
And? Lets see themHHusky said:
Unfortunately it’s not a matter of opinion. There’s numbers and stuff.RaceBannon said:
No they don'tHHusky said:Canada and the UK both have higher rates of upward mobility than the last best hope.
You don't actually think I'd take your word for anything do you?
