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DoogCourics
DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
edited February 2019 in The Fisching Hole (Recruiting)
Recruiting Analysis of Clemson West's Trajectory vs Clemson East's Trajectory.

Trigger warning for @Swaye , I used the composite scores because I am comparing against Clemson and I was not going to work that hard to find out their 247 Blue Chips vs Composite Blue Chips.



Washington Recruiting:

2015 Recruiting Class - 26th in Country - 5 Four Stars - 18 Three Stars - 85.77 Average Composite - 5 Blue Chip

2016 Recruiting Class - 29th in Country - 7 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 87.42 Average Composite - 7 Blue Chip

2017 Recruiting Class - 22nd in Country - 9 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 88.45 Average Composite - 9 Blue Chip

2018 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 10 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 90.21 Average Composite - 10 Blue Chip

2019 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 15 Four Stars - 8 Three Stars - 90.10 Average Composite - 15 Blue Chip

For @Swaye , this class is actually rated 11th in the Country by 247 and has 16 Blue Chips when Cam Williams is added as a Four Star.



Clemson Recruiting:

2009 Recruiting Class - 36th in Country - 6 Four Stars - 7 Three Stars - 89.91 Average Composite - 6 Blue Chip

2010 Recruiting Class - 27th in Country - 6 Four Stars - 15 Three Stars - 85.94 Average Composite - 6 Blue Chip

2011 Recruiting Class - 10th in Country - 3 Five Stars - 6 Four Stars - 20 Three Stars - 87.17 Average Composite - 9 Blue Chip

2012 Recruiting Class - 20th in Country - 10 Four Stars - 10 Three Stars - 89.03 Average Composite - 10 Blue Chip

2013 Recruiting Class - 15th in Country - 1 Five Star - 10 Four Stars - 11 Three Stars - 88.46 Average Composite - 11 Blue Chip

2014 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 10 Four Stars - 9 Three Stars - 88.69 Average Composite - 10 Blue Chip

2015 Recruiting Class - 9th in Country - 3 Five Stars - 9 Four Stars - 12 Three Stars - 89.12 Average Composite - 12 Blue Chip

2016 Recruiting Class - 11th in Country - 1 Five Star - 11 Four Stars - 8 Three Stars - 90.30 Average Composite - 12 Blue Chip

2017 Recruiting Class - 16th in Country - 2 Five Stars - 8 Four Stars - 4 Three Stars - 92.10 Average Composite - 10 Blue Chip

2018 Recruiting Class - 7th in Country - 5 Five Stars - 7 Four Stars - 5 Three Stars - 93.45 Average Composite - 12 Blue Chip

2019 Recruiting Class - 10th in Country - 1 Five Stars - 12 Four Stars - 15 Three Stars - 89.76 Average Composite - 13 Blue Chip


For @Swaye , this is actually rated 15th in the Country by 247.



Through 5 full classes, Pete is on the exact trajectory (in fact a quite a bit better in year 5) in regards to level of recruiting that Dabo was on through 5 full classes. Stacking double digit Blue Chip classes is the current level. Next level is landing Five Stars (which 2020 and 2021 match up well with for UW).
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  • theknowledge
    theknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,616 Founders Club
    I love you.
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  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    theknowledge said:

    I love you.


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  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    @Domicillo @Swaye

    Pin this shit puhleeeze
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    Hey faggot stop using composite like a bitch!
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  • vadawg
    vadawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 467 Swaye's Wigwam
    Southern recruits are better than west coast recruits, and the southern are predominantly full black, not half. So imo, the comparison doesn’t play out well for us.

    Peace
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    DoogCourics said:

    backthepack said:

    Hey faggot stop using composite like a bitch!

    I gave Swaye what he wanted which was current 247 stars and power rankings as an addendum.

    If you would like to click on Clemson’s classes and find out who was a four star and who wasn’t according to 247, go right ahead you little cunt. I’d be glad to see you do some work.

    Until then:


    I’d rather do that the majority of my assignments not gunna lie.
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    vadawg said:

    Southern recruits are better than west coast recruits, and the southern are predominantly full black, not half. So imo, the comparison doesn’t play out well for us.

    Peace

    WTF are you talking about?

    If you look at NFL draft results vs. recruiting rankings recruits from the Southeast are consistently OVERRATED compared to recruits from the West.

    Which is obvious when you look at the amount of resources these companies put into scouting the Southeast compared to the West and when you consider where most of their customers and $$$ are coming from.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,141 Standard Supporter
    HillsboroDuck said:

    vadawg said:

    Southern recruits are better than west coast recruits, and the southern are predominantly full black, not half. So imo, the comparison doesn’t play out well for us.

    Peace

    If we're going to argue demographics, when it comes to football Poly >>> black.

    hth
    And it's not close.
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  • Domicillo
    Domicillo Member Posts: 3,025
    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Domicillo said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
    It's more than three inputs
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  • Domicillo
    Domicillo Member Posts: 3,025
    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
    It's more than three inputs
    Three consistently updating sources of info...you get the point
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
    It's more than three inputs
    Three consistently updating sources of info...you get the point
    It's still more than three. There's no way you can get the comp rankings out of just their rivals, ESPN and 247 rankings. They are using some other rankings as well.
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    We are ahead of USC doogy, hth
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
    It's more than three inputs
    Three consistently updating sources of info...you get the point
    It's still more than three. There's no way you can get the comp rankings out of just their rivals, ESPN and 247 rankings. They are using some other rankings as well.
    Per their website this is how they get the comp team rankings. So yes it's technically more than three inputs but it is using data from only the three recruiting sources.

    The Formula

    where c is a specific team's total number of commits and Rn is the 247Sports Composite Rating of the nth-best commit times 100.

    Explanation

    In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

    Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.

    Readers familiar with the Gaussian distribution formula will note that we use a varying value for σ based on the standard deviation for the total number of commits between schools for the given sport. This standard deviation creates a bell curve with an inflection point near the average number of players recruited per team.

    Below is a graphical representation of how our formula works. You can see that the area under the curve gets smaller both as the rating for a commit decreases and as the number of total commits for a school increases. The y-axis in this graph represents the percentage weight of the score that gets applied to an overall team ranking.




    Where I have seen confusion by people on this board, and this may not be applicable to you @HillsboroDuck, has primarily been around the composite player rankings. People look at the rankings of the three sites, see a kid is ranked number 25 on espn, number 50 on rivals and 100 on 247 and then are surprised when the kids is ranked like 28th on the composite.

    But they aren't creating the comp player rankings based off where they are ranked on each site. Instead they are using the actual ratings of each player. And because each site has a different rating system (i.e 247 is a 1-105 scale, espn is like a 1-95 scale, rivals is like a 1.0-6.1 scale), they standardize those ratings systems so they are the standardizing a a score giving equal value to the three ratings and that's how they get a new composite rating (0-1, with up to four decimals). Basically a kid who gets a 105/95/6.1 would receive a 1.0000 composite rating. But a consensus number 1 in a given year may be rated like 101/94/6.0 and end up with some composite rating like .9995.

    Then they finally rank all those player ratings in order of value and that's how you get the composite player ranking. Essentially most people think that kids are ranked against each other, but really they get their own individual ratings and then are ranked in order. The composite does the same; complies a composite rating and then rank them in order.
    Good chit. I've seen some really weird Comp rankings that I'm not sure this explains but I'll definitely look for it in the future.

    Gracias.
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
    It's more than three inputs
    Three consistently updating sources of info...you get the point
    It's still more than three. There's no way you can get the comp rankings out of just their rivals, ESPN and 247 rankings. They are using some other rankings as well.
    Per their website this is how they get the comp team rankings. So yes it's technically more than three inputs but it is using data from only the three recruiting sources.

    The Formula

    where c is a specific team's total number of commits and Rn is the 247Sports Composite Rating of the nth-best commit times 100.

    Explanation

    In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

    Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.

    Readers familiar with the Gaussian distribution formula will note that we use a varying value for σ based on the standard deviation for the total number of commits between schools for the given sport. This standard deviation creates a bell curve with an inflection point near the average number of players recruited per team.

    Below is a graphical representation of how our formula works. You can see that the area under the curve gets smaller both as the rating for a commit decreases and as the number of total commits for a school increases. The y-axis in this graph represents the percentage weight of the score that gets applied to an overall team ranking.




    Where I have seen confusion by people on this board, and this may not be applicable to you @HillsboroDuck, has primarily been around the composite player rankings. People look at the rankings of the three sites, see a kid is ranked number 25 on espn, number 50 on rivals and 100 on 247 and then are surprised when the kids is ranked like 28th on the composite.

    But they aren't creating the comp player rankings based off where they are ranked on each site. Instead they are using the actual ratings of each player. And because each site has a different rating system (i.e 247 is a 1-105 scale, espn is like a 1-95 scale, rivals is like a 1.0-6.1 scale), they standardize those ratings systems so they are using a score that gives equal value to the three ratings and that's how they get a new composite rating (0-1, with up to four decimals). Basically a kid who gets a 105/95/6.1 would receive a 1.0000 composite rating. But a consensus number 1 in a given year may be rated like 101/94/6.0 and end up with some composite rating like .9995.

    Then they finally rank all those player ratings in order of value and that's how you get the composite player ranking. Essentially most people think that kids are ranked against each other, but really they get their own individual ratings and then are ranked in order. The composite does the same; complies a composite rating and then rank them in order.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    Coker's first sext to me after the Nacua commit (I have the crud and was asleep) was: 'we are going to fuck people up'.

    Just like bowdowntowashington was going to dawgman and real dawg
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member Posts: 18,028
    Swaye said:

    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    Domicillo said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    Domicillo said:

    Don't remember who/where they asked for this, but here's the link to the 247 only rankings. https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TeamRankings/

    You can also just remove the word "Composite" from the url when viewing the composite team rankings and end up on the above linked page. Why 247 doesn't have a single feature on their own website that directly links to this active page promoting their own rankings, is one of the many things that are incredibly asinine about this company.

    Thank you for finding this, I was curious

    What's important:

    UW Avg. 90.7
    Oregon Avg. 90.04

    And by 247 we are 7th!!! in the country in avg. Player rating
    I think both are helpful. I like to use the composite for broader looks at recruiting as it goes on, plus it updates more frequently since it's managing three dynamic inputs. But I always like to qualify deeper analysis into our numbers with the 247 rankings/ratings.
    It's more than three inputs
    Three consistently updating sources of info...you get the point
    It's still more than three. There's no way you can get the comp rankings out of just their rivals, ESPN and 247 rankings. They are using some other rankings as well.
    Per their website this is how they get the comp team rankings. So yes it's technically more than three inputs but it is using data from only the three recruiting sources.

    The Formula

    where c is a specific team's total number of commits and Rn is the 247Sports Composite Rating of the nth-best commit times 100.

    Explanation

    In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

    Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.

    Readers familiar with the Gaussian distribution formula will note that we use a varying value for σ based on the standard deviation for the total number of commits between schools for the given sport. This standard deviation creates a bell curve with an inflection point near the average number of players recruited per team.

    Below is a graphical representation of how our formula works. You can see that the area under the curve gets smaller both as the rating for a commit decreases and as the number of total commits for a school increases. The y-axis in this graph represents the percentage weight of the score that gets applied to an overall team ranking.




    Where I have seen confusion by people on this board, and this may not be applicable to you @HillsboroDuck, has primarily been around the composite player rankings. People look at the rankings of the three sites, see a kid is ranked number 25 on espn, number 50 on rivals and 100 on 247 and then are surprised when the kids is ranked like 28th on the composite.

    But they aren't creating the comp player rankings based off where they are ranked on each site. Instead they are using the actual ratings of each player. And because each site has a different rating system (i.e 247 is a 1-105 scale, espn is like a 1-95 scale, rivals is like a 1.0-6.1 scale), they standardize those ratings systems so they are the standardizing a a score giving equal value to the three ratings and that's how they get a new composite rating (0-1, with up to four decimals). Basically a kid who gets a 105/95/6.1 would receive a 1.0000 composite rating. But a consensus number 1 in a given year may be rated like 101/94/6.0 and end up with some composite rating like .9995.

    Then they finally rank all those player ratings in order of value and that's how you get the composite player ranking. Essentially most people think that kids are ranked against each other, but really they get their own individual ratings and then are ranked in order. The composite does the same; complies a composite rating and then rank them in order.
    I didn't understand any of this.
    It checks out. I promise.



    What it doesn't do though, is use a weighted or normalized average, which would be hard with only 3 data points anyways but still. So ESPN is still definitely screwing things up for an objective rankings system.
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