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Perspective on the PAC 12
Tequilla
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No PAC team has gone undefeated in the conference since Oregon in 2010.
Since 1988 (30 seasons), it has happened in the PAC 8 times
2010: Oregon
2005: USC
2004: USC
1998: UCLA
1996: ASU
1991: UW
1989: USC (had a tie, 7 game conference schedule)
1988: USC
Of all of those teams, only 2010 Oregon made it through a 9 game conference schedule.
The 2010 Oregon team lost in the National Title game.
2004 USC won a national title (I don't give a shit about what the NCAA does after the fact) and 2005 USC lost in the Title game.
The 1998 UCLA team started 10-0 before losing in the final week of the regular season at Miami and then in the Rose Bowl to Wisconsin.
The 1996 ASU team lost to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl and probably would have been #1 had Ohio State not scored in the final minute.
1991 UW won a share of the National Championship.
The 1989 USC team wasn't far from being great as it finished 9-2-1 with the 2 losses being a 1 point loss Week 1 to a 10-2 Illinois team with Jeff George, a 4 point loss at then #1 Notre Dame (who finished 2nd), and then a tie versus a 3-7-1 UCLA team that lost 4 games by 3 points or less (3 of them being 1 point defeats).
The 1988 USC team started the year 10-0 before losing to #1 and eventual national champions Notre Dame and then in the Rose Bowl to Michigan.
Basically, the TL, DR version is that going undefeated through the PAC is difficult (has happened 8 times in the last 30 years) and each of those teams that have done so are either National Champions (UW/USC), on the verge of a National Championship (Oregon, USC, ASU, and UCLA) with a few breaks or bounces of the ball.
Since 1988 (30 seasons), it has happened in the PAC 8 times
2010: Oregon
2005: USC
2004: USC
1998: UCLA
1996: ASU
1991: UW
1989: USC (had a tie, 7 game conference schedule)
1988: USC
Of all of those teams, only 2010 Oregon made it through a 9 game conference schedule.
The 2010 Oregon team lost in the National Title game.
2004 USC won a national title (I don't give a shit about what the NCAA does after the fact) and 2005 USC lost in the Title game.
The 1998 UCLA team started 10-0 before losing in the final week of the regular season at Miami and then in the Rose Bowl to Wisconsin.
The 1996 ASU team lost to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl and probably would have been #1 had Ohio State not scored in the final minute.
1991 UW won a share of the National Championship.
The 1989 USC team wasn't far from being great as it finished 9-2-1 with the 2 losses being a 1 point loss Week 1 to a 10-2 Illinois team with Jeff George, a 4 point loss at then #1 Notre Dame (who finished 2nd), and then a tie versus a 3-7-1 UCLA team that lost 4 games by 3 points or less (3 of them being 1 point defeats).
The 1988 USC team started the year 10-0 before losing to #1 and eventual national champions Notre Dame and then in the Rose Bowl to Michigan.
Basically, the TL, DR version is that going undefeated through the PAC is difficult (has happened 8 times in the last 30 years) and each of those teams that have done so are either National Champions (UW/USC), on the verge of a National Championship (Oregon, USC, ASU, and UCLA) with a few breaks or bounces of the ball.
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More perspective, over the same 30 season time interval, only 37 times have teams finished the season with just 1 loss (or better) in conference during the regular season. It has happened more often than one would think that more than 1 loss has won the conference and/or division.
Should this UW team finish 8-1 in conference this year (which is still very, very much in play), it would still be a tremendous accomplishment regardless of whether they win the North or conference by doing so.
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If we go 8-1, beat SUC in the championship game in front of hundreds and jeans stadium, then beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, that's not bad. This team hasn't shown its capable of that.
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Eight tims, and four of those are USC. Kriminy.
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The respect is real.creepycoug said:Eight tims, and four of those are USC. Kriminy.
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What does it take to win out?Fire_Marshall_Bill said:If we go 8-1, beat SUC in the championship game in front of hundreds and jeans stadium, then beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, that's not bad. This team hasn't shown its capable of that.
Beating Colorado and Oregon St at home ... Cal on the road. We should be able to do both of those particularly as it is looking like Cal's an absolute mess at the moment and can't throw the ball.
Beating Stanford at home should be expected ... not sure what evidence there is to think that we shouldn't be a favorite in that spot.
At this point, the Cougs have not shown that they can even be competitive against UW. That being said, I do question whether our lack of pass rush puts us in a far more dangerous position this year against them as I suspect this will be a far closer game this time around. That being said, we are so much more physical than they are that until they prove it then it's hard to get behind the Cougs.
As for the P12 title game, if it is USC then you've got a young, mistake-prone QB combined with a team that is just flat out sloppy. I suspect that USC loses to Utah this weekend and then we'll see what else happens for Utah the rest of the season.
UW's far from a perfect team, but it's still the best team in the conference, Oregon's about a quarter to half step behind this year, and then everybody else is a good couple of steps behind that.
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Lol. That’s not going to happen. Uw loses at least one more. Maybe two. Also, Oregon has to lose one more for uw to have a chance to go to the pac 12 championship. Uw does not control it’s own destinyFire_Marshall_Bill said:If we go 8-1, beat SUC in the championship game in front of hundreds and jeans stadium, then beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, that's not bad. This team hasn't shown its capable of that.
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No one but Stanford controls their own destiny right now.MikeDamone said:
Lol. That’s not going to happen. Uw loses at least one more. Maybe two. Also, Oregon has to lose one more for uw to have a chance to go to the pac 12 championship. Uw does not control it’s own destinyFire_Marshall_Bill said:If we go 8-1, beat SUC in the championship game in front of hundreds and jeans stadium, then beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, that's not bad. This team hasn't shown its capable of that.
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Good shit Teq. But apparently having an understanding of the history of the sort makes one a Doog around here.
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UW's lost 2 games this year by 8 points, one of the games in OT, both on the road, and all of a sudden the sky is falling?YellowSnow said:Good shit Teq. But apparently having an understanding of the history of the sort makes one a Doog around here.
Just doesn't make sense when you consider that this is a year that everybody with half of a brain knew would be a year with a really small margin for error. -
WSU does too.YellowSnow said:
No one but Stanford controls their own destiny right now.MikeDamone said:
Lol. That’s not going to happen. Uw loses at least one more. Maybe two. Also, Oregon has to lose one more for uw to have a chance to go to the pac 12 championship. Uw does not control it’s own destinyFire_Marshall_Bill said:If we go 8-1, beat SUC in the championship game in front of hundreds and jeans stadium, then beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, that's not bad. This team hasn't shown its capable of that.
