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On paper: better or worse now compared to 2016

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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Gladstone said:

    QB. Same
    RB. Better thanks to Saladin Ahmed
    TE: Slightly worse
    WR: Significantly worse
    OL: Slightly worse (no Eldrenkamp + health concerns)
    DL: Worse
    LB: Significantly worse
    DB: Slightly worse
    K: Same
    P: Slightly better
    KR: Worse
    PR: Significantly worse
    Depth: Better
    Coaching; Slightly better with Smith out

    Agree? Here's hoping the team surprises again.

    QB: Probably a push

    Will likely depend on what Bush does as a play caller … if we prioritize the run then possibly better … we know what Browning's floor is and I don't think he's going to regress … it's likely we know what he is at this point but there is a (small) chance that he saves his legacy and grows as a senior

    RB: Better

    Sr Gaskin should be better than Soph Gaskin … Ahmed has by far more game breaking ability than Coleman

    WR: Slight drop

    On the high end, we don't have a Ross or Pettis on the roster .. but the problem with the 2016 team was that there really wasn't a great option once you got past those 2 as I don't consider Chico as anything more than a JAG at the elite level … I think we have a chance with this team to have better depth albeit likely not the same elite level … I'm slightly optimistic here

    TE: Even to slightly better

    Sample is better with age; Daniels was good but I think we'll have Otton surprise us big time ... Dissly hadn't really come into his own at that point and I do think Kizer will also flash this year. The wild card obviously is Bryant. In '16 the TE position was heavy blocking and not much of an option in the passing game ... I suspect the '18 group will deliver more in the passing game and largely be on the same level blocking.

    OL: Better

    Sr Adams/McGary >>> Soph Adams/McGary … Watty has more raw ability than Eldrenkamp … Harris is better suited for C and should be within range to Jr. level Coleman Shelton … RG is a massive question mark but hard to imagine that we will have a worse option than true frosh Nick Harris

    DL: Even to slightly worse

    Vita wasn't completely Vita in '16 … still raw and inconsistent … we're probably better pass rushing in '18 with Jaylen/Levi but probably a little worse in the run game … where '16 is ahead for sure is better depth whereas '18 is a little more raw and young albeit talented

    LB: Slightly Worse

    I'm putting this on as of the end of the year when we had no Azeem and no Joe Mathis. PSALM sucked ass. Our OLBs were so bad that we put Qualls on the outside against Bama. While I love Bierria he was an upper tier P12 guy and not an elite guy. I'm intrigued by Tevis inside as I think he could be better than anything we have had the last few years on the inside. BBK is a try hard so we'll see. We have a lot of options on the outside so the question is who steps up. Getting some step up here could move this group to being better overall.

    DB: Same to slightly better

    Yes, the '16 team had Budda, Kevo, and Sidney with a Frosh Rapp. Really good group. This year's group has a Jr Rapp a ton of CBs that will also be Top 2 round selections, and depth just like the '16 team. Both groups were elite and likely going to be in the Top 3-5 groups in the country. Only way this gets to be worse is if Myles Bryant plays material snaps.

    K: Worse

    We have nobody proven at the position. The '16 team had Van Winkle who was an upper level P12 kicker. If you want to see a reason why we may lose a game we shouldn't this year, look right at this position.

    P: Better

    Whitford is better than Vizcaino by far … should we have struggles offensively this year we'll see the value in Whitford this year.

    PR/KR: Worse

    '16 had Dante … '18 doesn't. Enough said.

    Overall, this team compares reasonably well to the '18 team. There's absolutely no reason to expect that this team to not be in a position to win the P12 and be a candidate for the CFP. Yes, we know the warts on the team … but most teams have some warts on them as well. We're far better positioned to be successful than all but a handful of teams in the nation.
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    GladstoneGladstone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,417
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    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    QB. Same
    RB. Better thanks to Saladin Ahmed
    TE: Slightly worse
    WR: Significantly worse
    OL: Slightly worse (no Eldrenkamp + health concerns)
    DL: Worse
    LB: Significantly worse
    DB: Slightly worse
    K: Same
    P: Slightly better
    KR: Worse
    PR: Significantly worse
    Depth: Better
    Coaching; Slightly better with Smith out

    Agree? Here's hoping the team surprises again.



    WR: Slight drop

    On the high end, we don't have a Ross or Pettis on the roster .. but the problem with the 2016 team was that there really wasn't a great option once you got past those 2 as I don't consider Chico as anything more than a JAG at the elite level … I think we have a chance with this team to have better depth albeit likely not the same elite level … I'm slightly optimistic here




    LB: Slightly Worse

    I'm putting this on as of the end of the year when we had no Azeem and no Joe Mathis. PSALM sucked ass. Our OLBs were so bad that we put Qualls on the outside against Bama. While I love Bierria he was an upper tier P12 guy and not an elite guy. I'm intrigued by Tevis inside as I think he could be better than anything we have had the last few years on the inside. BBK is a try hard so we'll see. We have a lot of options on the outside so the question is who steps up. Getting some step up here could move this group to being better overall.

    You make great points, particularly about the OL. I cannot get onboard --YET-- with LB and WR. We had some millennial UW greats in there AZ, KB, Ross, Pettis. 2018 is a huge question mark.
    koopdog said:

    Gladstone said:

    QB. Same
    RB. Better thanks to Saladin Ahmed
    TE: Slightly worse
    WR: Significantly worse
    OL: Slightly worse (no Eldrenkamp + health concerns)
    DL: Worse
    LB: Significantly worse
    DB: Slightly worse
    K: Same
    P: Slightly better
    KR: Worse
    PR: Significantly worse
    Depth: Better
    Coaching; Slightly better with Smith out

    Agree? Here's hoping the team surprises again.

    As @DerekJohnson and I agreed the first time I met you at Taki Tiki, you're a nice "kid", likeable, and.. well frankly kind of handsome in a non-gay way.

    But this is a slightly fucktarded post my Padawan. Although thoughtful as always by you.

    I don't get the slightly worse on TE. If Hunter comes back much better. Not even close. If he doesn't we have servicable dudes there that may not accussed of anal rape. That would be nice.

    OL: Better. More experience, McGary is amazing and if Trey comes back lights out. I also think the development will help. Despite the fucktards on here who relegate # of snaps as an insignificant stat, it does matter. This group has a shit ton compared to 2016.

    Running Back.. It's hard to be significantly better because we would all blow Myles, but I think Ahmed is going to kill it this year. I have a feeling in the tip of my dick that Bush (see what I did there) is going to emphasize the running game instead of auditioning for his next job.

    My input as the Sweat Pants General. Thanks for the poast youngster. You're one of my favorite classy poasters.


    Miss you too buddy! Please to be podcasting again.
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    DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,475
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    You are straight doogin if you think the WR combo in 2018 has a higher ceiling than 2016.

    Fuck the depth, that's a top 10 pick, fastest man ever recorded in the NFL and 2nd round pick that both doubled up as return specialists.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    We won’t have peak levels at WR this year to compare to Ross/Pettis. But if Ty Jones, Terrell Bynum, and at least one of Spiker/Osborne can step up this year, then we may have the kind of depth necessary to be able to pick on mismatches on the field. The problem in ‘16 was that nobody else on our roster warrented any kind of special attention.

    I love KB and AZ. Peak AZ is what we want for a MLB at the elite level. You are a pretty good team if KB is your 2nd MLB. You are a really good team if he is your 3rd MLB.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,064
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    koopdog said:

    Gladstone said:

    QB. Same
    RB. Better thanks to Saladin Ahmed
    TE: Slightly worse
    WR: Significantly worse
    OL: Slightly worse (no Eldrenkamp + health concerns)
    DL: Worse
    LB: Significantly worse
    DB: Slightly worse
    K: Same
    P: Slightly better
    KR: Worse
    PR: Significantly worse
    Depth: Better
    Coaching; Slightly better with Smith out

    Agree? Here's hoping the team surprises again.

    As @DerekJohnson and I agreed the first time I met you at Taki Tiki, you're a nice "kid", likeable, and.. well frankly kind of handsome in a non-gay way.

    But this is a slightly fucktarded post my Padawan. Although thoughtful as always by you.

    I don't get the slightly worse on TE. If Hunter comes back much better. Not even close. If he doesn't we have servicable dudes there that may not accussed of anal rape. That would be nice.

    OL: Better. More experience, McGary is amazing and if Trey comes back lights out. I also think the development will help. Despite the fucktards on here who relegate # of snaps as an insignificant stat, it does matter. This group has a shit ton compared to 2016.

    Running Back.. It's hard to be significantly better because we would all blow Myles, but I think Ahmed is going to kill it this year. I have a feeling in the tip of my dick that Bush (see what I did there) is going to emphasize the running game instead of auditioning for his next job.

    My input as the Sweat Pants General. Thanks for the poast youngster. You're one of my favorite classy poasters.


    This was REALLY gay. 10/10
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,064
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    PurpleJ said:

    QB - Better solely because of improved clipboard holding talent and more JAKES.
    RB - Push. Lost a BIG BACK in Coleman but Achmed should blow up this year.
    FB - It would be nice if we had these.
    WR - We lost Pettis. So worse? Someone needs to grow a dick. Better yet, multiple dicks.
    TE - That black beast guy got hurt. Who the fuck knows? Block for Gaskin and Achmed.
    OL - Better fucking be better.
    DL - Lost Vea. Have Gaines and a bunch of other dudes who probably like to fuck raw dawg. We have a strength coach. I'm not worried.
    DE - Hi @Dennis_DeYoung
    LB - No fucking clue. Need some big dicks here to replace Azeem. Did we recruit people? Probably. I'll say worse.
    DB - Lost people, but should be a revolving door of talent here. Should be good.
    K - Can't possibly be worse.
    P - I hope we never have to punt. Ever.

    Coach - Pete is on the hot seat.

    Best take yet.
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