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Kennedy Lewis, 2019 3* WR, Melissa (HS), TX (Offered)
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He caught more than he dropped
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Great. he got pit stick all over Brownings Black jersey...Neighbor2972 said:GrundleStiltzkin said:
You mean kicker?HUSKYFANATIC said:
You mean Buck?WeakarmCobra said:
DDY if he can’t catch, so you think we can convert him to SAM?Domicillo said:
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There's zero evidence that he dropped any. I get it, we want Kyle Ford more. Doesn't mean we have to try to fabricate some flaw with this kid that might not actually exist.CuntWaffle said:He caught more than he dropped
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I want them both. Doesn’t mean we have to pretend like this kid is Joe Ngata or in the upper tier of WR’s that’s where the disconnect is. 6’4 4.4 hell yeah sign him up and hope Pete can work his magic. But there’s a reason a 6’4 4.4 WR isn’t being sought after by the big programs.StrongArmCobra said:
There's zero evidence that he dropped any. I get it, we want Kyle Ford more. Doesn't mean we have to try to fabricate some flaw with this kid that might not actually exist.CuntWaffle said:He caught more than he dropped
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Nobody said he was as good as Joe Ngata. He blew up last Spring and has been pursued by UW, TCU, Oklahoma State, and Texas at different times in his recruitment. That's a pretty good list of schools.LaMichael_Corleone said:
I want them both. Doesn’t mean we have to pretend like this kid is Joe Ngata or in the upper tier of WR’s that’s where the disconnect is. 6’4 4.4 hell yeah sign him up and hope Pete can work his magic. But there’s a reason a 6’4 4.4 WR isn’t being sought after by the big programs.StrongArmCobra said:
There's zero evidence that he dropped any. I get it, we want Kyle Ford more. Doesn't mean we have to try to fabricate some flaw with this kid that might not actually exist.CuntWaffle said:He caught more than he dropped
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Pure nonsense. I’ve never experience or heard of a WR coach that coaches his guys to catch with their body. I see body catches every weekend, but it’s not the preferred way to ever catch it.StrongArmCobra said:So one guy has the opinion that he struggles catching the ball and it is now a board fact? Sure I was joking when I said I don't see any drops on his highlight film but what if there really are no drops on his complete game film? If he catches the ball every time who cares how he catches it? I don't think people understand how many NFL WR's catch the ball with their body instead of their hands. It's pretty common and in certain situations the preferred way to catch it. If he had a problem with drops I don't think we'd be recruiting him.
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Can we at least agree on a few basic points?StrongArmCobra said:
There's zero evidence that he dropped any. I get it, we want Kyle Ford more. Doesn't mean we have to try to fabricate some flaw with this kid that might not actually exist.CuntWaffle said:He caught more than he dropped
1. There is such a thing as "good hands". This is a skill. Some WRs, even at the NFL level, have higher catch rates than others.
2. Even a WR with "bad hands" will catch more than he drops.
2a. Therefore a highlight reel will always only contain catches as it is a biased sample.
3. A catch can look more natural or more awkward and from this an observer can make some inferences about catch rate even from this biased sample. Just like watching highlight reels of 20% and 40% 3 point shooters.
4. These observations of how easy or difficult Lewis made the catches look are in fact EVIDENCE that Lewis doesn't have great hands.
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Not evidence. Conjecture and assumption. If he consistently catches the ball every time nobody gives a fuck.FremontTroll said:
Can we at least agree on a few basic points?StrongArmCobra said:
There's zero evidence that he dropped any. I get it, we want Kyle Ford more. Doesn't mean we have to try to fabricate some flaw with this kid that might not actually exist.CuntWaffle said:He caught more than he dropped
1. There is such a thing as "good hands". This is a skill. Some WRs, even at the NFL level, have higher catch rates than others.
2. Even a WR with "bad hands" will catch more than he drops.
2a. Therefore a highlight reel will always only contain catches as it is a biased sample.
3. A catch can look more natural or more awkward and from this an observer can make some inferences about catch rate even from this biased sample. Just like watching highlight reels of 20% and 40% 3 point shooters.
4. These observations of how easy or difficult Lewis made the catches look are in fact EVIDENCE that Lewis doesn't have great hands. -
You can disagree with conclusions drawn which you have in this thread- like when you said who cares if he catches with his body?StrongArmCobra said:
Not evidence. Conjecture and assumption. If he consistently catches the ball every time nobody gives a fuck.FremontTroll said:
Can we at least agree on a few basic points?StrongArmCobra said:
There's zero evidence that he dropped any. I get it, we want Kyle Ford more. Doesn't mean we have to try to fabricate some flaw with this kid that might not actually exist.CuntWaffle said:He caught more than he dropped
1. There is such a thing as "good hands". This is a skill. Some WRs, even at the NFL level, have higher catch rates than others.
2. Even a WR with "bad hands" will catch more than he drops.
2a. Therefore a highlight reel will always only contain catches as it is a biased sample.
3. A catch can look more natural or more awkward and from this an observer can make some inferences about catch rate even from this biased sample. Just like watching highlight reels of 20% and 40% 3 point shooters.
4. These observations of how easy or difficult Lewis made the catches look are in fact EVIDENCE that Lewis doesn't have great hands.
You haven't given any analysis of the actual tape though so you can't disagree with the actual observations.
I almost never watch these highlight reels but I did here and there were quite a few catches that he struggled with despite being wide open and throws being on target. In particular I point you to the catches at 3:00 and 4:00 he left a lot of yards on the table by not catching easy balls in stride. At 3:00 he has to dive for some reason- would have been a TD. at 4:00 he needlessly runs himself out of bounds.
Part of it is catching it with his body which reduces his catch radius but I think another issue is he isn't very good at adjusting to the ball in the air. Need to get this kid on the baseball diamond this spring playing CF.
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Sorry but no. Many receivers prefer catching the ball with their body when running routes over the middle when they know they might get popped right after catching. A body catch is easier to hold onto when taking a hit than a hands catch is. This is something Michael Irvin did during his playing days and has talked about. You also have the go or post route catch. Many are taught to catch the ball with their hands reaching above their head but in reality this is a dead give away to the DB that the ball is in the air and it allows them to attack the receivers hands when the ball arrives and punch it loose preventing the catch. Most receivers in the NFL are catching the ball at chest level with their body when running these routes. Guys like Tyler Lockett and Golden Tate come to mind as guys who consistently do this. Terrell Owens is another guy who caught the ball with his body a lot.RoadDawg55 said:
Pure nonsense. I’ve never experience or heard of a WR coach that coaches his guys to catch with their body. I see body catches every weekend, but it’s not the preferred way to ever catch it.StrongArmCobra said:So one guy has the opinion that he struggles catching the ball and it is now a board fact? Sure I was joking when I said I don't see any drops on his highlight film but what if there really are no drops on his complete game film? If he catches the ball every time who cares how he catches it? I don't think people understand how many NFL WR's catch the ball with their body instead of their hands. It's pretty common and in certain situations the preferred way to catch it. If he had a problem with drops I don't think we'd be recruiting him.
