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Round 1 (B-Thrash/Groove) #1 Slayer vs. #8 Poison

UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam

Round 1 (B-Thrash/Groove) #1 Slayer vs. #8 Poison 27 votes

#1 Slayer (B)
59%
SwayeMad_SongreenbloodGladstoneCokeGreaterThanPepsidncdfleaSECisKingBad_MotherDuckerPetermanCohen12BleachedAnusDawgRDRJoeyUW_Doog_BotSpiritHorse 16 votes
#8 Poison (C)
40%
Fire_Marshall_BillBlackieDennis_DeYoungYouKnowItoregonblitzkriegTequillaPurpleThrobberDoog_de_JourYellowSnowEl_KBlastDoor 11 votes
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,739
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Fuck glam
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,435 Founders Club
    #8 Poison (C)
    dnc said:

    Fuck glam

    Hair metal is not glam. Glam is an early 70's genre- i.e., Bowie, T Rex, Mott the Hoople, New York Dolls, et al.
  • YouKnowItYouKnowIt Member Posts: 543
    #8 Poison (C)
    I am confuzzed on how slayer v poison is even a topic ... none-the-less i voted for poison to piss you "people" off
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Glam metal
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Other names
    Hair metal pop metal
    Stylistic origins
    Heavy metal pop rock hard rock glam rock punk rock
    Cultural origins Late 1970s and early 1980s, Los Angeles and New York City
    Typical instruments
    Vocals guitar bass drums keyboards
    Regional scenes
    United States United Kingdom Europe Canada Sweden Finland Japan
    Other topics
    Make up power pop light metal

    Glam metal (also known as hair metal and often used synonymously with pop metal) is a subgenre of heavy metal, which features pop-influenced hooks and guitar riffs, and borrows from the fashion of 1970s glam rock.

    Glam metal can be traced back to music acts like Alice Cooper, Cheap Trick, Kiss, The New York Dolls, and Van Halen. It arose in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the United States, particularly on the Los Angeles Sunset Strip music scene, pioneered by bands such as Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Quiet Riot, Stryper, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and Dokken. It was popular throughout the 1980s (particularly between 1986 and 1989) and the beginning of the 1990s, bringing to prominence bands including Poison, Skid Row, Cinderella, and Warrant. Glam metal was associated with flashy clothing and makeup. Poison, for example, had long shaggy or backcombed hair, accessories, metal studs, leather, and make-up during their live performances.

    Characteristics, fashion, and terminology
    Musically, glam metal combines a traditional heavy metal sound with elements of hard rock and punk rock,[3] adding pop-influenced catchy hooks and guitar riffs.[4][5] Like other heavy metal songs of the 1980s (most notably thrash metal songs), they often feature shred guitar solos.[6] They also include extensive use of harmonies, particularly in the characteristic power ballads – slow, emotional songs that gradually build to a strong finale.[7] These were among the most commercially successful singles in the genre and opened it up to a wider audience that would not have been attracted to traditional heavy metal. Lyrical themes often deal with love and lust, with songs often directed at a particular woman.[8]

    Aesthetically glam metal draws heavily on the glam rock or glitter rock of the 1970s,[9] often with very long backcombed hair, use of make-up, gaudy clothing and accessories (chiefly consisting of tight denim or leather jeans, spandex, and headbands).[10] The visual aspects of glam metal appealed to music television producers, particularly MTV, whose establishment coincided with the rise of the genre.[11] Glam metal performers became infamous for their debauched lifestyles of drugs, strippers and late-night parties, which were widely covered in the tabloid press.[12]

    History
    Predecessors

    The New York Dolls in 1973. Their visual style influenced the look of many 1980s-era glam metal groups.
    Music journalist Stephen Davis claims the influences of the style can be traced back to acts like Aerosmith, Kiss, Boston, Cheap Trick, and The New York Dolls.[15] Kiss and to a lesser extent Alice Cooper, were major influences on the genre.[16] Finnish band Hanoi Rocks, heavily influenced themselves by the New York Dolls, have been credited with setting a blueprint for the look of hair metal.[17]

    Van Halen has been seen as highly influential on the movement, emerging in 1978 from the Los Angeles music scene on Sunset Strip, with a sound based around the lead guitar skills of Eddie Van Halen. He popularized a playing technique of two‐handed hammer‐ons and pull‐offs called tapping, showcased on the song "Eruption" from the album Van Halen.[3] This sound, and lead singer David Lee Roth's stage antics, would be highly influential on glam metal, although Van Halen would never fully adopt a glam aesthetic.[18] Def Leppard, often categorized with the New Wave of British heavy metal, released their second album High 'n' Dry in 1981, mixing glam rock with heavy metal, and helping to define the sound of hard rock for the decade.[19]

    Mainstream success (1981–1991)
    First wave (1981–1985)

    Quiet Riot is one of the first glam metal bands to achieve mainstream success.
    In the early 1980s, bands from across the United States began to move towards what would become the glam metal sound. In 1981, Mötley Crüe (from Los Angeles) released their first album Too Fast for Love, Dokken (also from Los Angeles) released their first Breaking the Chains, and Kix (from western Maryland) released their first album, Kix. In 1982, Night Ranger (from San Francisco) released their initial album Dawn Patrol which reached the top 40 in the United States.

    1983 was the breakout year for glam metal: Quiet Riot's Metal Health was the first glam metal album, and arguably the first heavy metal album, to reach number one in the Billboard charts. It helped open the doors for mainstream success by subsequent metal bands.[20] Additionally, Night Ranger's second album in 1983 Midnight Madness was also a breakthrough that included the top five single "Sister Christian".[21] Also, in 1983, a larger wave of glam metal albums began appearing; Mötley Crüe released its second album Shout at the Devil, Def Leppard released its third album Pyromania, Kix released its second album Cool Kids, Lita Ford released her initial album Out for Blood, and the band Kiss released its glam-sounding Lick It Up.

    Def Leppard's Pyromania, later certified 10x platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), reached number two on the Billboard 200. The singles "Foolin'", "Photograph", and "Rock of Ages", helped by the emergence of MTV, reached the Top 40.[19][22][23] Pyromania's style was widely emulated, particularly by the emerging Californian scene.[5] However, remarked Leppard's Joe Elliott, "I don't know how anybody could confuse us with that lot. We weren't even around when all those so-called glam bands came up. We were in fuckin' Holland making Hysteria. While they were out banging chicks or whatever, we were looking at windmills and playing pool on a table without any pockets. We were as far away from LA as any band could be."[24]


    Kix performing in 1983
    The most active glam metal scene was starting to appear in clubs on the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles, including The Trip, the Whisky a Go Go, and the Starwood. These clubs began to avoid booking punk rock bands because of fears of violence and began booking many area metal bands, usually on a "pay to play" basis, thus creating a vibrant scene for hard rock music.[3][25] An increasing numbers of metal bands were able to produce debut albums in 1984, including Ratt (from Los Angeles) with its breakthrough album Out of the Cellar, Bon Jovi (from New Jersey) with its debut Bon Jovi, Great White with Great White, Black 'n Blue (from Portland, Oregon) with Black 'n Blue, Autograph with its first album Sign In Please, and W.A.S.P. with its self-titled debut album. Also in 1984, Lita Ford put out her second album called Dancin' on the Edge, Quiet Riot released its follow-up to Metal Health called Condition Critical, Dokken released its second album called Tooth and Nail, and Kiss released the glam-sounding Animalize.

    All these bands played a part in developing the overall look and sound of glam metal during the early 1980s.[3] In 1985, many more commercially successful glam metal albums began to appear. Mötley Crüe released Theatre of Pain, Ratt's second album Invasion of Your Privacy, Dokken's third album Under Lock and Key, Stryper's first release Soldiers Under Command, Bon Jovi's second release 7800° Fahrenheit, and Autograph's second album That's The Stuff. Los Angeles continued to foster the most important scene around the Sunset Strip, with groups like London, which had originally formed as a glam rock band in the 1970s, and had seen future members of Mötley Crüe, Cinderella and Guns N' Roses pass through its ranks, finally releasing their début album Non Stop Rock in 1985 as well.[26]

    Second wave (1986–1991)
    By the mid-1980s, glam metal had begun to become a major mainstream success in America with many of these band's music videos appearing on heavy rotation on MTV often at the top of MTV's daily dial countdown, and some of the bands appeared on the channel's shows such as Headbanger's Ball, which became one of the most popular programs with over 1.3 million views a week.[11][27] The groups also received heavy rotation on radio stations such as KNAC in Los Angeles.[28]


  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam
    #1 Slayer (B)
    YouKnowIt said:

    I am confuzzed on how slayer v poison is even a topic ... none-the-less i voted for poison to piss you "people" off

    For the record I hate most glam metal and hair metal but included it because of this boared's preference for Winger and Great White. #notmyhilltodieon
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,925 Founders Club
    #8 Poison (C)
    Hair metal hanging tough. Take that! I'm a huge fag for posting that.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,435 Founders Club
    #8 Poison (C)

    Glam metal
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Other names
    Hair metal pop metal
    Stylistic origins
    Heavy metal pop rock hard rock glam rock punk rock
    Cultural origins Late 1970s and early 1980s, Los Angeles and New York City
    Typical instruments
    Vocals guitar bass drums keyboards
    Regional scenes
    United States United Kingdom Europe Canada Sweden Finland Japan
    Other topics
    Make up power pop light metal

    Glam metal (also known as hair metal and often used synonymously with pop metal) is a subgenre of heavy metal, which features pop-influenced hooks and guitar riffs, and borrows from the fashion of 1970s glam rock.

    Glam metal can be traced back to music acts like Alice Cooper, Cheap Trick, Kiss, The New York Dolls, and Van Halen. It arose in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the United States, particularly on the Los Angeles Sunset Strip music scene, pioneered by bands such as Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Quiet Riot, Stryper, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and Dokken. It was popular throughout the 1980s (particularly between 1986 and 1989) and the beginning of the 1990s, bringing to prominence bands including Poison, Skid Row, Cinderella, and Warrant. Glam metal was associated with flashy clothing and makeup. Poison, for example, had long shaggy or backcombed hair, accessories, metal studs, leather, and make-up during their live performances.

    Characteristics, fashion, and terminology
    Musically, glam metal combines a traditional heavy metal sound with elements of hard rock and punk rock,[3] adding pop-influenced catchy hooks and guitar riffs.[4][5] Like other heavy metal songs of the 1980s (most notably thrash metal songs), they often feature shred guitar solos.[6] They also include extensive use of harmonies, particularly in the characteristic power ballads – slow, emotional songs that gradually build to a strong finale.[7] These were among the most commercially successful singles in the genre and opened it up to a wider audience that would not have been attracted to traditional heavy metal. Lyrical themes often deal with love and lust, with songs often directed at a particular woman.[8]

    Aesthetically glam metal draws heavily on the glam rock or glitter rock of the 1970s,[9] often with very long backcombed hair, use of make-up, gaudy clothing and accessories (chiefly consisting of tight denim or leather jeans, spandex, and headbands).[10] The visual aspects of glam metal appealed to music television producers, particularly MTV, whose establishment coincided with the rise of the genre.[11] Glam metal performers became infamous for their debauched lifestyles of drugs, strippers and late-night parties, which were widely covered in the tabloid press.[12]

    History
    Predecessors

    The New York Dolls in 1973. Their visual style influenced the look of many 1980s-era glam metal groups.
    Music journalist Stephen Davis claims the influences of the style can be traced back to acts like Aerosmith, Kiss, Boston, Cheap Trick, and The New York Dolls.[15] Kiss and to a lesser extent Alice Cooper, were major influences on the genre.[16] Finnish band Hanoi Rocks, heavily influenced themselves by the New York Dolls, have been credited with setting a blueprint for the look of hair metal.[17]

    Van Halen has been seen as highly influential on the movement, emerging in 1978 from the Los Angeles music scene on Sunset Strip, with a sound based around the lead guitar skills of Eddie Van Halen. He popularized a playing technique of two‐handed hammer‐ons and pull‐offs called tapping, showcased on the song "Eruption" from the album Van Halen.[3] This sound, and lead singer David Lee Roth's stage antics, would be highly influential on glam metal, although Van Halen would never fully adopt a glam aesthetic.[18] Def Leppard, often categorized with the New Wave of British heavy metal, released their second album High 'n' Dry in 1981, mixing glam rock with heavy metal, and helping to define the sound of hard rock for the decade.[19]

    Mainstream success (1981–1991)
    First wave (1981–1985)

    Quiet Riot is one of the first glam metal bands to achieve mainstream success.
    In the early 1980s, bands from across the United States began to move towards what would become the glam metal sound. In 1981, Mötley Crüe (from Los Angeles) released their first album Too Fast for Love, Dokken (also from Los Angeles) released their first Breaking the Chains, and Kix (from western Maryland) released their first album, Kix. In 1982, Night Ranger (from San Francisco) released their initial album Dawn Patrol which reached the top 40 in the United States.

    1983 was the breakout year for glam metal: Quiet Riot's Metal Health was the first glam metal album, and arguably the first heavy metal album, to reach number one in the Billboard charts. It helped open the doors for mainstream success by subsequent metal bands.[20] Additionally, Night Ranger's second album in 1983 Midnight Madness was also a breakthrough that included the top five single "Sister Christian".[21] Also, in 1983, a larger wave of glam metal albums began appearing; Mötley Crüe released its second album Shout at the Devil, Def Leppard released its third album Pyromania, Kix released its second album Cool Kids, Lita Ford released her initial album Out for Blood, and the band Kiss released its glam-sounding Lick It Up.

    Def Leppard's Pyromania, later certified 10x platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), reached number two on the Billboard 200. The singles "Foolin'", "Photograph", and "Rock of Ages", helped by the emergence of MTV, reached the Top 40.[19][22][23] Pyromania's style was widely emulated, particularly by the emerging Californian scene.[5] However, remarked Leppard's Joe Elliott, "I don't know how anybody could confuse us with that lot. We weren't even around when all those so-called glam bands came up. We were in fuckin' Holland making Hysteria. While they were out banging chicks or whatever, we were looking at windmills and playing pool on a table without any pockets. We were as far away from LA as any band could be."[24]


    Kix performing in 1983
    The most active glam metal scene was starting to appear in clubs on the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles, including The Trip, the Whisky a Go Go, and the Starwood. These clubs began to avoid booking punk rock bands because of fears of violence and began booking many area metal bands, usually on a "pay to play" basis, thus creating a vibrant scene for hard rock music.[3][25] An increasing numbers of metal bands were able to produce debut albums in 1984, including Ratt (from Los Angeles) with its breakthrough album Out of the Cellar, Bon Jovi (from New Jersey) with its debut Bon Jovi, Great White with Great White, Black 'n Blue (from Portland, Oregon) with Black 'n Blue, Autograph with its first album Sign In Please, and W.A.S.P. with its self-titled debut album. Also in 1984, Lita Ford put out her second album called Dancin' on the Edge, Quiet Riot released its follow-up to Metal Health called Condition Critical, Dokken released its second album called Tooth and Nail, and Kiss released the glam-sounding Animalize.

    All these bands played a part in developing the overall look and sound of glam metal during the early 1980s.[3] In 1985, many more commercially successful glam metal albums began to appear. Mötley Crüe released Theatre of Pain, Ratt's second album Invasion of Your Privacy, Dokken's third album Under Lock and Key, Stryper's first release Soldiers Under Command, Bon Jovi's second release 7800° Fahrenheit, and Autograph's second album That's The Stuff. Los Angeles continued to foster the most important scene around the Sunset Strip, with groups like London, which had originally formed as a glam rock band in the 1970s, and had seen future members of Mötley Crüe, Cinderella and Guns N' Roses pass through its ranks, finally releasing their début album Non Stop Rock in 1985 as well.[26]

    Second wave (1986–1991)
    By the mid-1980s, glam metal had begun to become a major mainstream success in America with many of these band's music videos appearing on heavy rotation on MTV often at the top of MTV's daily dial countdown, and some of the bands appeared on the channel's shows such as Headbanger's Ball, which became one of the most popular programs with over 1.3 million views a week.[11][27] The groups also received heavy rotation on radio stations such as KNAC in Los Angeles.[28]


    Still....

    I hate the fucking term. Glam is glam rock and pop metal is hair metal.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Glam metal vs. Glam rock. In the context of this being the metal tourney I think it's safe to say that DNC was referring to the Glam metal band.

    I actually like glam rock for it's originality and divergence from mainstream rock where as I think of glam metal as being the assimilation of heavy metal by corporate rock.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,435 Founders Club
    #8 Poison (C)

    Glam metal vs. Glam rock. In the context of this being the metal tourney I think it's safe to say that DNC was referring to the Glam metal band.

    I actually like glam rock for it's originality and divergence from mainstream rock where as I think of glam metal as being the assimilation of heavy metal by corporate rock.

    I know you guys know the difference, so TIC poast from me earlier. But MOST casual listeners don't, so it's a sore subject / sand in the vajzeen thing for me.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,435 Founders Club
    #8 Poison (C)
    Swaye said:

    If Poison wins this I will kill everything.

    What's your poison bug man?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Swaye said:

    If Poison wins this I will kill everything.

    I think the only real hair metal with a shot past the first round is Motley Crue. They could be a darkhorse to make the elite 8 but I think either Tool or Anthrax will snuff them out if Judas Priest doesn't.

    Twisted Sister is probably about the only hair metal I like and it's only because they took the whole concept to an extreme and flipped it on it's head. They are just a fun band imo. I'll be surprised if they make it past Anthrax though.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,494 Founders Club
    #1 Slayer (B)

    Swaye said:

    If Poison wins this I will kill everything.

    I think the only real hair metal with a shot past the first round is Motley Crue. They could be a darkhorse to make the elite 8 but I think either Tool or Anthrax will snuff them out if Judas Priest doesn't.

    Twisted Sister is probably about the only hair metal I like and it's only because they took the whole concept to an extreme and flipped it on it's head. They are just a fun band imo. I'll be surprised if they make it past Anthrax though.
    I'll vote for Twisted Sister over about 25 of the bands in the comp. Stay Hungry changed my life.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,560
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Poison is not metal.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Slayer would kill Poison with their bare hands, eat them, and then shit them out on stage at their next show.

  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    If Poison wins this I will kill everything.

    I think the only real hair metal with a shot past the first round is Motley Crue. They could be a darkhorse to make the elite 8 but I think either Tool or Anthrax will snuff them out if Judas Priest doesn't.

    Twisted Sister is probably about the only hair metal I like and it's only because they took the whole concept to an extreme and flipped it on it's head. They are just a fun band imo. I'll be surprised if they make it past Anthrax though.
    I'll vote for Twisted Sister over about 25 of the bands in the comp. Stay Hungry changed my life.
    That's a great fucking album.
  • JoeyJoey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,700 Founders Club
    #1 Slayer (B)
    Poison isnt metal and don't ever, ever piss off Slayer fans
  • Bad_MotherDuckerBad_MotherDucker Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,323 Swaye's Wigwam
    #1 Slayer (B)
    dflea said:

    Slayer would kill Poison with their bare hands, eat them, and then shit them out on stage at their next show.

    Reminds me of the Jim Breuer bit on Slayer. Fucking hilarious

    https://youtu.be/XG7dmX3rEaU
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,925 Founders Club
    #8 Poison (C)
    Swaye said:

    If Poison wins this I will kill everything.

    LOL'd pretty hard at this
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