Time for Guess Who Said Dat?
Oh reary?
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I’ll let @oregonblitzkrieg weigh in
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Fucking liberals.
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Ronald Reagan to be quite honest. Maybe not word for word. Seattle elects people that find that to be hate speech and then are shocked when they get the billcreepycoug said:"The city does not have a revenue problem - it has a spending efficiency problem."
Oh reary?
I've said it here when dumbfucks like hondo cry about tax cuts.
Bezos is a hypocrite. When its his wallet he has an issue. Like most liberals he has no problem reaching in my pocket -
I don't disagree on this point. The left is always at its best when spending other people's money. That's what they do. Few if any are willing to pony up.RaceBannon said:
Ronald Reagan to be quite honest. Maybe not word for word. Seattle elects people that find that to be hate speech and then are shocked when they get the billcreepycoug said:"The city does not have a revenue problem - it has a spending efficiency problem."
Oh reary?
I've said it here when dumbfucks like hondo cry about tax cuts.
Bezos is a hypocrite. When its his wallet he has an issue. Like most liberals he has no problem reaching in my pocket
It was like Pappa Gates when he was on this bit with the inheritance tax. People praised him since, you know, the Gates family stood to pay a lot since there's such an intra-family transfer of wealth. Of course, what's a fiddy million here and there when you're a Gates? At some point, when you have enough money, you don't count it anymore. -
He's away at camp.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’ll let @oregonblitzkrieg weigh in
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creepycoug said:
He's away running his camp.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’ll let @oregonblitzkrieg weigh in
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The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
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Like every other City on the West Coast does now.YellowSnow said:The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
It's time to pack up and head east a little bit, where it actually gets cold enough to where they LEAVE or FREEZE like a popsicle. Even Salem is now on the fucking gravy train, using what others want to make a River park development into a new 300 bed flop house. Fuck the West Coast and 81% of the fucks that live here. -
Maybe we're remember the same thing differently, or not. But I recall Bill Señor promoting a state income tax. Again, sainted for it. However at that point in his life, and probably Junior's, they probably had next to nothing in ordinary income. Tax for thee, but not for me.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree on this point. The left is always at its best when spending other people's money. That's what they do. Few if any are willing to pony up.RaceBannon said:
Ronald Reagan to be quite honest. Maybe not word for word. Seattle elects people that find that to be hate speech and then are shocked when they get the billcreepycoug said:"The city does not have a revenue problem - it has a spending efficiency problem."
Oh reary?
I've said it here when dumbfucks like hondo cry about tax cuts.
Bezos is a hypocrite. When its his wallet he has an issue. Like most liberals he has no problem reaching in my pocket
It was like Pappa Gates when he was on this bit with the inheritance tax. People praised him since, you know, the Gates family stood to pay a lot since there's such an intra-family transfer of wealth. Of course, what's a fiddy million here and there when you're a Gates? At some point, when you have enough money, you don't count it anymore. -
Not mutually exclusive of course. I'm sure he was all-in for a state income tax, but for a time, right around the Campaign for Washington that he headed up (the one before this last one), he was all about the inheritance tax and talking about family dynasties etc.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Maybe we're remember the same thing differently, or not. But I recall Bill Señor promoting a state income tax. Again, sainted for it. However at that point in his life, and probably Junior's, they probably had next to nothing in ordinary income. Tax for thee, but not for me.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree on this point. The left is always at its best when spending other people's money. That's what they do. Few if any are willing to pony up.RaceBannon said:
Ronald Reagan to be quite honest. Maybe not word for word. Seattle elects people that find that to be hate speech and then are shocked when they get the billcreepycoug said:"The city does not have a revenue problem - it has a spending efficiency problem."
Oh reary?
I've said it here when dumbfucks like hondo cry about tax cuts.
Bezos is a hypocrite. When its his wallet he has an issue. Like most liberals he has no problem reaching in my pocket
It was like Pappa Gates when he was on this bit with the inheritance tax. People praised him since, you know, the Gates family stood to pay a lot since there's such an intra-family transfer of wealth. Of course, what's a fiddy million here and there when you're a Gates? At some point, when you have enough money, you don't count it anymore. -
*chinheritance taxcreepycoug said:
Not mutually exclusive of course. I'm sure he was all-in for a state income tax, but for a time, right around the Campaign for Washington that he headed up (the one before this last one), he was all about the inheritance tax and talking about family dynasties etc.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Maybe we're remember the same thing differently, or not. But I recall Bill Señor promoting a state income tax. Again, sainted for it. However at that point in his life, and probably Junior's, they probably had next to nothing in ordinary income. Tax for thee, but not for me.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree on this point. The left is always at its best when spending other people's money. That's what they do. Few if any are willing to pony up.RaceBannon said:
Ronald Reagan to be quite honest. Maybe not word for word. Seattle elects people that find that to be hate speech and then are shocked when they get the billcreepycoug said:"The city does not have a revenue problem - it has a spending efficiency problem."
Oh reary?
I've said it here when dumbfucks like hondo cry about tax cuts.
Bezos is a hypocrite. When its his wallet he has an issue. Like most liberals he has no problem reaching in my pocket
It was like Pappa Gates when he was on this bit with the inheritance tax. People praised him since, you know, the Gates family stood to pay a lot since there's such an intra-family transfer of wealth. Of course, what's a fiddy million here and there when you're a Gates? At some point, when you have enough money, you don't count it anymore. -
No issue has made me think of the old saying, “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain" than Seattle and its homelessness problem.YellowSnow said:The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
I try to fancy myself as a compassionate moderate but seeing what’s been going on has been bring out my inner Republican. My heart breaks seeing people on the street who are clearly mentally ill, disabled, etc. but it’s becoming clear that the system in place isn’t working and throwing more money at it isn’t going to help. Problem is I don’t even know where the hell to start to come up with even a stop gap solution.
I’ve had the misfortune of being laid off years ago. Naturally like most folks in that situation, I filed for unemployment. In order to receive that benefit I had to actively look for work to get my benefits and even then I knew there was a limit to what I could claim. I’m woefully uneducated about assistance that goes to the homeless - are there similar expectations if you go to a shelter or camp out in the city? I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, so please don’t twist, I’m genuinely curious if anyone has any insight on how it currently works.
There has to be a middle ground between allowing for a safety net for those that have been dealt a bad hand by life and those that refuse to accept help.
Thoughts? I feel really guilty writing these things as I’ve been pretty lucky in life, but seeing this stuff is pretty upsetting. -
Doog_de_Jour said:
No issue has made me think of the old saying, “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain" than Seattle and its homelessness problem.YellowSnow said:The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
I try to fancy myself as a compassionate moderate but seeing what’s been going on has been bring out my inner Republican. My heart breaks seeing people on the street who are clearly mentally ill, disabled, etc. but it’s becoming clear that the system in place isn’t working and throwing more money at it isn’t going to help. Problem is I don’t even know where the hell to start to come up with even a stop gap solution.
I’ve had the misfortune of being laid off years ago. Naturally like most folks in that situation, I filed for unemployment. In order to receive that benefit I had to actively look for work to get my benefits and even then I knew there was a limit to what I could claim. I’m woefully uneducated about assistance that goes to the homeless - are there similar expectations if you go to a shelter or camp out in the city? I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, so please don’t twist, I’m genuinely curious if anyone has any insight on how it currently works.
There has to be a middle ground between allowing for a safety net for those that have been dealt a bad hand by life and those that refuse to accept help.
Thoughts? I feel really guilty writing these things as I’ve been pretty lucky in life, but seeing this stuff is pretty upsetting.
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Good post. I once also, was on the Dole for a little spell. And I do have some compassion for the plight. In my little ‘Burg, I see about 3 out of 10 that truly need mental health care and the rest are just abled bodied lazy fucks. I’d be all for some more $$$ invested in more and better mental health care. Not only for the homeless but also the relevant incarcerated.Doog_de_Jour said:
No issue has made me think of the old saying, “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain" than Seattle and its homelessness problem.YellowSnow said:The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
I try to fancy myself as a compassionate moderate but seeing what’s been going on has been bring out my inner Republican. My heart breaks seeing people on the street who are clearly mentally ill, disabled, etc. but it’s becoming clear that the system in place isn’t working and throwing more money at it isn’t going to help. Problem is I don’t even know where the hell to start to come up with even a stop gap solution.
I’ve had the misfortune of being laid off years ago. Naturally like most folks in that situation, I filed for unemployment. In order to receive that benefit I had to actively look for work to get my benefits and even then I knew there was a limit to what I could claim. I’m woefully uneducated about assistance that goes to the homeless - are there similar expectations if you go to a shelter or camp out in the city? I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, so please don’t twist, I’m genuinely curious if anyone has any insight on how it currently works.
There has to be a middle ground between allowing for a safety net for those that have been dealt a bad hand by life and those that refuse to accept help.
Thoughts? I feel really guilty writing these things as I’ve been pretty lucky in life, but seeing this stuff is pretty upsetting.
I equate the Homeless problem with our Corrections system. Building more Prisons hasn’t made the community safer. Just as building more flop houses won’t solve the homeless problem at its root. And anyone currently incarcerated for dealing weed should be put on parole tomorrow. There’s no sense in paying to incarcerate people for slinging what is now a legal substance. -
I am hearing there's some vacant land on the Big Island. Great weather and you can roast marshmallows whenever you like. Dump the homeless there.
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Bezos is a worm. He even looks like one. You faggots keep buying shit on Amazon and propping it up like cogs in the machinery, while they continue to destroy businesses and jobs everywhere, large and small. You think this is going to end well?
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We have an inefficient delivery system for aid
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I grew up in Seattle but moved away after graduating UW. Lived in some more rural parts of the country and was an expat for a while. There's always been a decent sized homeless population in Seattle but I was a little decsensitized to it growing up and was blown away when I moved back.Doog_de_Jour said:
No issue has made me think of the old saying, “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain" than Seattle and its homelessness problem.YellowSnow said:The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
I try to fancy myself as a compassionate moderate but seeing what’s been going on has been bring out my inner Republican. My heart breaks seeing people on the street who are clearly mentally ill, disabled, etc. but it’s becoming clear that the system in place isn’t working and throwing more money at it isn’t going to help. Problem is I don’t even know where the hell to start to come up with even a stop gap solution.
I’ve had the misfortune of being laid off years ago. Naturally like most folks in that situation, I filed for unemployment. In order to receive that benefit I had to actively look for work to get my benefits and even then I knew there was a limit to what I could claim. I’m woefully uneducated about assistance that goes to the homeless - are there similar expectations if you go to a shelter or camp out in the city? I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, so please don’t twist, I’m genuinely curious if anyone has any insight on how it currently works.
There has to be a middle ground between allowing for a safety net for those that have been dealt a bad hand by life and those that refuse to accept help.
Thoughts? I feel really guilty writing these things as I’ve been pretty lucky in life, but seeing this stuff is pretty upsetting.
Initially I felt a little sorry but didn't take long for me to go from sympathetic to fuck em clear em out. On almost a weekly basis I have a sketchy run in with a junkie where the spidey sense starts to tingle.
As a more light hearted example, earlier this week I grabbed lunch and was eating it on the restaurant's patio outside in pioneer square and this old whacked out homeless dude kept interuppting my lunch to try to sell me a BJ. I told him I was flattered, graciously declined the toothless meth BJ and unsuccessfully tried to finish the rest of my salad.
I'm not sure there is a solution but what the city has been doing is enabling the problem. More needs to be done to separate the down on their luck homeless/mentally ill from the piece of shit drug addicts. The drug addicts need to go and I don't really care what draconian measures are taken to make it happen. Not really sure what happened with the Opiod epidemic that Trump declared but seems like that is the best avenue to try to deal with the drug addicts. Homelessness is a federal problem so it's stupid to think that Seattle on it's own can solve the issue by simply offering more benefits. -
Some problems don't have a solution.
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Exactly. It is a federal problem. Why the fuck should a Seattle business get taxed directly one penny to take care of some bums that just rolled in from West Virginia?RedRocket said:
I grew up in Seattle but moved away after graduating UW. Lived in some more rural parts of the country and was an expat for a while. There's always been a decent sized homeless population in Seattle but I was a little decsensitized to it growing up and was blown away when I moved back.Doog_de_Jour said:
No issue has made me think of the old saying, “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain" than Seattle and its homelessness problem.YellowSnow said:The city does not have a revenue problem. It have an inability to tell the bums to LEAVE problem.
I try to fancy myself as a compassionate moderate but seeing what’s been going on has been bring out my inner Republican. My heart breaks seeing people on the street who are clearly mentally ill, disabled, etc. but it’s becoming clear that the system in place isn’t working and throwing more money at it isn’t going to help. Problem is I don’t even know where the hell to start to come up with even a stop gap solution.
I’ve had the misfortune of being laid off years ago. Naturally like most folks in that situation, I filed for unemployment. In order to receive that benefit I had to actively look for work to get my benefits and even then I knew there was a limit to what I could claim. I’m woefully uneducated about assistance that goes to the homeless - are there similar expectations if you go to a shelter or camp out in the city? I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, so please don’t twist, I’m genuinely curious if anyone has any insight on how it currently works.
There has to be a middle ground between allowing for a safety net for those that have been dealt a bad hand by life and those that refuse to accept help.
Thoughts? I feel really guilty writing these things as I’ve been pretty lucky in life, but seeing this stuff is pretty upsetting.
Initially I felt a little sorry but didn't take long for me to go from sympathetic to fuck em clear em out. On almost a weekly basis I have a sketchy run in with a junkie where the spidey sense starts to tingle.
As a more light hearted example, earlier this week I grabbed lunch and was eating it on the restaurant's patio outside in pioneer square and this old whacked out homeless dude kept interuppting my lunch to try to sell me a BJ. I told him I was flattered, graciously declined the toothless meth BJ and unsuccessfully tried to finish the rest of my salad.
I'm not sure there is a solution but what the city has been doing is enabling the problem. More needs to be done to separate the down on their luck homeless/mentally ill from the piece of shit drug addicts. The drug addicts need to go and I don't really care what draconian measures are taken to make it happen. Not really sure what happened with the Opiod epidemic that Trump declared but seems like that is the best avenue to try to deal with the drug addicts. Homelessness is a federal problem so it's stupid to think that Seattle on it's own can solve the issue by simply offering more benefits. -
Well, there are some chinsere comments in this thread, even by OBK, our resident big meanie face.
Not sure there's any point blaming anyone. Who knows how the subtle process of alienation and loneliness that leads from one bad decision to another is started and germinates, but for a lot of people, they wake up one day and they're hopeless and fucked up and it goes down from there. Actually there are people who know the subtle process, they just can't stop it in an efficient way for the legions of those affected.
As for how to deal with what we have at a given time in the cycle, I think Regan/Bush I did manage to fuck one thing up with their shutting down funding for asylums and other institutions with the "they're better off in their communities and families who can take care of them" rationale. Fuck, when you think about it, that was a version of Hillary's village. Stoopid on both counts.
We? need more institutions. These things aren't great money makers, because as it turns out it's fucking expensive to take care of a human being who can't fend for him/herself, and if you charge market rates for the true cost structure and value, it's too expensive for most people even if the institutions aren't trying to turn a profit.
So, as much as it pains to me to say it, just like jails, we need more institutions, and of varying levels. We need the type for people who will never get better, the type for people who might if treated professionally, and half-way re-intros for people on the mend.
That's my only idea. If you guys shit on it, fuck you, and come up with a better one. I'm all ears. I work near Pioneer Square and I see people taking a shit in the alleys at least once a week on my drive in. It's fucking terrible and has become exponentially worse over the least 3 years. -
I've got a solution. Ever seen the movie The Purge? First year of purging would clean up downtown real fucking quick. I didn't say my solution was neat and tidy, but it is a solution. Low cost and permanent as well.creepycoug said:Well, there are some chinsere comments in this thread, even by OBK, our resident big meanie face.
Not sure there's any point blaming anyone. Who knows how the subtle process of alienation and loneliness that leads from one bad decision to another is started and germinates, but for a lot of people, they wake up one day and they're hopeless and fucked up and it goes down from there. Actually there are people who know the subtle process, they just can't stop it in an efficient way for the legions of those affected.
As for how to deal with what we have at a given time in the cycle, I think Regan/Bush I did manage to fuck one thing up with their shutting down funding for asylums and other institutions with the "they're better off in their communities and families who can take care of them" rationale. Fuck, when you think about it, that was a version of Hillary's village. Stoopid on both counts.
We? need more institutions. These things aren't great money makers, because as it turns out it's fucking expensive to take care of a human being who can't fend for him/herself, and if you charge market rates for the true cost structure and value, it's too expensive for most people even if the institutions aren't trying to turn a profit.
So, as much as it pains to me to say it, just like jails, we need more institutions, and of varying levels. We need the type for people who will never get better, the type for people who might if treated professionally, and half-way re-intros for people on the mend.
That's my only idea. If you guys shit on it, fuck you, and come up with a better one. I'm all ears. I work near Pioneer Square and I see people taking a shit in the alleys at least once a week on my drive in. It's fucking terrible and has become exponentially worse over the least 3 years.
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Agree on mor nut houses. It's a sad deal, but some percentage of the population just isn't going to be able to hack it and they need a safe place to stay.creepycoug said:Well, there are some chinsere comments in this thread, even by OBK, our resident big meanie face.
Not sure there's any point blaming anyone. Who knows how the subtle process of alienation and loneliness that leads from one bad decision to another is started and germinates, but for a lot of people, they wake up one day and they're hopeless and fucked up and it goes down from there. Actually there are people who know the subtle process, they just can't stop it in an efficient way for the legions of those affected.
As for how to deal with what we have at a given time in the cycle, I think Regan/Bush I did manage to fuck one thing up with their shutting down funding for asylums and other institutions with the "they're better off in their communities and families who can take care of them" rationale. Fuck, when you think about it, that was a version of Hillary's village. Stoopid on both counts.
We? need more institutions. These things aren't great money makers, because as it turns out it's fucking expensive to take care of a human being who can't fend for him/herself, and if you charge market rates for the true cost structure and value, it's too expensive for most people even if the institutions aren't trying to turn a profit.
So, as much as it pains to me to say it, just like jails, we need more institutions, and of varying levels. We need the type for people who will never get better, the type for people who might if treated professionally, and half-way re-intros for people on the mend.
That's my only idea. If you guys shit on it, fuck you, and come up with a better one. I'm all ears. I work near Pioneer Square and I see people taking a shit in the alleys at least once a week on my drive in. It's fucking terrible and has become exponentially worse over the least 3 years.
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Fuck. If only. If there were such a thing, believe me, I have a list, and none of them are homeless. Hoh Lee Fuck would that be fun.Swaye said:
I've got a solution. Ever seen the movie The Purge? First year of purging would clean up downtown real fucking quick. I didn't say my solution was neat and tidy, but it is a solution. Low cost and permanent as well.creepycoug said:Well, there are some chinsere comments in this thread, even by OBK, our resident big meanie face.
Not sure there's any point blaming anyone. Who knows how the subtle process of alienation and loneliness that leads from one bad decision to another is started and germinates, but for a lot of people, they wake up one day and they're hopeless and fucked up and it goes down from there. Actually there are people who know the subtle process, they just can't stop it in an efficient way for the legions of those affected.
As for how to deal with what we have at a given time in the cycle, I think Regan/Bush I did manage to fuck one thing up with their shutting down funding for asylums and other institutions with the "they're better off in their communities and families who can take care of them" rationale. Fuck, when you think about it, that was a version of Hillary's village. Stoopid on both counts.
We? need more institutions. These things aren't great money makers, because as it turns out it's fucking expensive to take care of a human being who can't fend for him/herself, and if you charge market rates for the true cost structure and value, it's too expensive for most people even if the institutions aren't trying to turn a profit.
So, as much as it pains to me to say it, just like jails, we need more institutions, and of varying levels. We need the type for people who will never get better, the type for people who might if treated professionally, and half-way re-intros for people on the mend.
That's my only idea. If you guys shit on it, fuck you, and come up with a better one. I'm all ears. I work near Pioneer Square and I see people taking a shit in the alleys at least once a week on my drive in. It's fucking terrible and has become exponentially worse over the least 3 years. -
Agreed with the chinstitution shutdown as a root cause, and the recent devolvement of the situation. Honest question, what do you think changed between the 1980s and early 2010s?creepycoug said:Well, there are some chinsere comments in this thread, even by OBK, our resident big meanie face.
Not sure there's any point blaming anyone. Who knows how the subtle process of alienation and loneliness that leads from one bad decision to another is started and germinates, but for a lot of people, they wake up one day and they're hopeless and fucked up and it goes down from there. Actually there are people who know the subtle process, they just can't stop it in an efficient way for the legions of those affected.
As for how to deal with what we have at a given time in the cycle, I think Regan/Bush I did manage to fuck one thing up with their shutting down funding for asylums and other institutions with the "they're better off in their communities and families who can take care of them" rationale. Fuck, when you think about it, that was a version of Hillary's village. Stoopid on both counts.
We? need more institutions. These things aren't great money makers, because as it turns out it's fucking expensive to take care of a human being who can't fend for him/herself, and if you charge market rates for the true cost structure and value, it's too expensive for most people even if the institutions aren't trying to turn a profit.
So, as much as it pains to me to say it, just like jails, we need more institutions, and of varying levels. We need the type for people who will never get better, the type for people who might if treated professionally, and half-way re-intros for people on the mend.
That's my only idea. If you guys shit on it, fuck you, and come up with a better one. I'm all ears. I work near Pioneer Square and I see people taking a shit in the alleys at least once a week on my drive in. It's fucking terrible and has become exponentially worse over the least 3 years. -
Some problems have final solutions.dflea said:Some problems don't have a solution.
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Anyone ever driven through the state of Nevada? You can go for an hour without seeing a town or any other human beings. Would seem, if the moar institutions idea ever really ramps up, that's a perfect place to move them all.
And if they get low on food, give them all AR 15s. You can't throw a dead cat without hitting a 20 pound rabbit out there. Make them hunt for their food. And for the ones who can't be trusted with a rifle, well, kind of win win. -
PurpleJ said:
Bruh- careful tiptoeing up to the call for genocide line. Stalin don't play that shit.
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I prefer your right wing ignorance to dumb fuck Honda.PurpleJ said:
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I never said anything about genocide.PurpleThrobber said:
