I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
Different teams, different times, but my money would be on 91 UW holding Clemson to fewer than 35. 2016 Bama also gave up 40 to Ole Miss and 30 to Arkansas. 91 UW gave up 21 to Nebraska and WSU. Just my opinion, but having seen both teams I don't think 2016 Bama defense was better than 91 UW.
As far as the teams overall, I agree 91 UW was probably better. They are considered amongst the greatest college football teams of all time, were extremely dominant, went undefeated and won a National Championship, whereas 2016 Bama came up one game short, and did look vulnerable at times. IMO, 91 UW had a huge advantage at QB, 2016 Bama had more powerful running backs. 91 UW had a better Oline and a more aggressive defense, particularly on the Dline with a once in a generation DT. 91 UW had good linebackers, but 2016 Bama had stellar linebackers. 91 UW had 11 taken in the 92 draft. 2016 Bama had 10 taken in the 2017 draft. One a truly great team, and the other an outstanding team.
Obligatory UW is not nor ever has been Bama qualifier. Bama is operating at an extremely high level, as they have done a few times in my lifetime. When Saban leaves, they may flail awhile while trying to find then next Bryant, Stallings, Saban, but they will eventually get there. Pete is not like those guys. I could be wrong, but I doubt he will take take a chance on some of the "fast strategy" types that go to school to be football players only, and that's what it takes to be a Bama or Ohio State. I just don't think it will happen; the school from the administration on down won't allow it, including (likely) Pete himself. The James gang had a bit less reluctance in this area, hence 90-91 UW, and a slew of some of the meanest motherfuckers to ever roll through UW's football program starting in the late 70's and rolling through 2000, along side some surprisingly good "choir boys".
You fucking homers act like he's recruiting Rhodes Scholars who are choosing between playing at Harvard, MIT and Washington. Cheese and Rice.
Did it ever occur to you that he'd like to grab more guysm like the ones he saw on the other side of the field in the Peach Bowl, except those guysms have a lot of choices and don't all love UW like you guysms do?
This "won't take a chance" shit is a built-in excuse, and just one click of homer stupid above "academis", neither of which is really a thing.
Anybody who actually believes (hello Dennis) that Peterman would turn down an elite talent who legitimately wanted to play at UW because OKG or slow strategy or talent-phobia is just fucking stupid. This is a high-paying gig typically held by very serious people who make very serious decisions that are calibrated to generate results that allow for job security.
Washington can recruit and on occasion recruit at an elite level. But at the end of the day, there is a relative dearth of talent in this region of the country, and Washington isn't a household name in cf, as much as it pains you all to hear that. It's a name, it's a known quantity, it's respected. It's not Kansas State, but it's also not Oklahoma.
The '91 rewind was special to read. Good God you guys are in love with that fucking team. If the 91 Cal 'too high' Bears could take them to the wire, I think they were just mortal enuff to give Alabama a chance.
I think it's silly that we compare '91 Huskies vs 2016 'Bama. Human beans have gotten much stronger and faster since then. Would Stan even start on a D-Line like Bammer's these days? He was only like 290 which is like 30 lbs less than Greg Gaines. 2001 Miami would kill mid 1980's Miami rather easily.
Hey, I didn't start it. The resident "UW '91 vs. a Tornado" crew started it.
2001 Miami, playing their best football, beats any team I've seen to date when playing their best football. The weapons on that crew still stand out as an embarrassment of riches, even by the standards of today's Bama teams. They had a future HOFer sitting two deep on the bench despite averaging 9yds. a carry every tim he touched the ball. They were stacked with pro bowl level talent with anywhere from two (Reed and Gore) to four (Reed, Gore, Johnson and Wilfork) HOFers. That's not counting Sean Taylor, who would have been a first ballot had he not been killed, sitting on the bench waiting his turn. That's after losing Reggie Wayne, who I think eventually gets in, Dan Morgan & Santana Moss the year before.
That team coached itself to a title. Uncle Fester was perhaps the ultimate example of a caretaker.
Hence why 2000 UW win at home might be our greatest OOC triumph in the past 20 years.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
Different teams, different times, but my money would be on 91 UW holding Clemson to fewer than 35. 2016 Bama also gave up 40 to Ole Miss and 30 to Arkansas. 91 UW gave up 21 to Nebraska and WSU. Just my opinion, but having seen both teams I don't think 2016 Bama defense was better than 91 UW.
As far as the teams overall, I agree 91 UW was probably better. They are considered amongst the greatest college football teams of all time, were extremely dominant, went undefeated and won a National Championship, whereas 2016 Bama came up one game short, and did look vulnerable at times. IMO, 91 UW had a huge advantage at QB, 2016 Bama had more powerful running backs. 91 UW had a better Oline and a more aggressive defense, particularly on the Dline with a once in a generation DT. 91 UW had good linebackers, but 2016 Bama had stellar linebackers. 91 UW had 11 taken in the 92 draft. 2016 Bama had 10 taken in the 2017 draft. One a truly great team, and the other an outstanding team.
Obligatory UW is not nor ever has been Bama qualifier. Bama is operating at an extremely high level, as they have done a few times in my lifetime. When Saban leaves, they may flail awhile while trying to find then next Bryant, Stallings, Saban, but they will eventually get there. Pete is not like those guys. I could be wrong, but I doubt he will take take a chance on some of the "fast strategy" types that go to school to be football players only, and that's what it takes to be a Bama or Ohio State. I just don't think it will happen; the school from the administration on down won't allow it, including (likely) Pete himself. The James gang had a bit less reluctance in this area, hence 90-91 UW, and a slew of some of the meanest motherfuckers to ever roll through UW's football program starting in the late 70's and rolling through 2000, along side some surprisingly good "choir boys".
You fucking homers act like he's recruiting Rhodes Scholars who are choosing between playing at Harvard, MIT and Washington. Cheese and Rice.
Did it ever occur to you that he'd like to grab more guysm like the ones he saw on the other side of the field in the Peach Bowl, except those guysms have a lot of choices and don't all love UW like you guysms do?
This "won't take a chance" shit is a built-in excuse, and just one click of homer stupid above "academis", neither of which is really a thing.
Anybody who actually believes (hello Dennis) that Peterman would turn down an elite talent who legitimately wanted to play at UW because OKG or slow strategy or talent-phobia is just fucking stupid. This is a high-paying gig typically held by very serious people who make very serious decisions that are calibrated to generate results that allow for job security.
Washington can recruit and on occasion recruit at an elite level. But at the end of the day, there is a relative dearth of talent in this region of the country, and Washington isn't a household name in cf, as much as it pains you all to hear that. It's a name, it's a known quantity, it's respected. It's not Kansas State, but it's also not Oklahoma.
The '91 rewind was special to read. Good God you guys are in love with that fucking team. If the 91 Cal 'too high' Bears could take them to the wire, I think they were just mortal enuff to give Alabama a chance.
I think it's silly that we compare '91 Huskies vs 2016 'Bama. Human beans have gotten much stronger and faster since then. Would Stan even start on a D-Line like Bammer's these days? He was only like 290 which is like 30 lbs less than Greg Gaines. 2001 Miami would kill mid 1980's Miami rather easily.
Hey, I didn't start it. The resident "UW '91 vs. a Tornado" crew started it.
2001 Miami, playing their best football, beats any team I've seen to date when playing their best football. The weapons on that crew still stand out as an embarrassment of riches, even by the standards of today's Bama teams. They had a future HOFer sitting two deep on the bench despite averaging 9yds. a carry every tim he touched the ball. They were stacked with pro bowl level talent with anywhere from two (Reed and Gore) to four (Reed, Gore, Johnson and Wilfork) HOFers. That's not counting Sean Taylor, who would have been a first ballot had he not been killed, sitting on the bench waiting his turn. That's after losing Reggie Wayne, who I think eventually gets in, Dan Morgan & Santana Moss the year before.
That team coached itself to a title. Uncle Fester was perhaps the ultimate example of a caretaker.
Hence why 2000 UW win at home might be our greatest OOC triumph in the past 20 years.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
I assume you are referring to the fact that, whenever people talk about the 91 team, they tend to focus on the defense and the offense gets overlooked. This is true. That's the tendency, and the offense, especially the running game, was nails.
But a "much better" team than bama is a stretch. Better, maybe. Not much.
91 UW had a comparable defense and a far superior QB. It’s not really close.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
I assume you are referring to the fact that, whenever people talk about the 91 team, they tend to focus on the defense and the offense gets overlooked. This is true. That's the tendency, and the offense, especially the running game, was nails.
But a "much better" team than bama is a stretch. Better, maybe. Not much.
91 UW had a comparable defense and a far superior QB. It’s not really close.
People forget that Hurts was on his way to 0-2 in the Natty before he got benched
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
Different teams, different times, but my money would be on 91 UW holding Clemson to fewer than 35. 2016 Bama also gave up 40 to Ole Miss and 30 to Arkansas. 91 UW gave up 21 to Nebraska and WSU. Just my opinion, but having seen both teams I don't think 2016 Bama defense was better than 91 UW.
As far as the teams overall, I agree 91 UW was probably better. They are considered amongst the greatest college football teams of all time, were extremely dominant, went undefeated and won a National Championship, whereas 2016 Bama came up one game short, and did look vulnerable at times. IMO, 91 UW had a huge advantage at QB, 2016 Bama had more powerful running backs. 91 UW had a better Oline and a more aggressive defense, particularly on the Dline with a once in a generation DT. 91 UW had good linebackers, but 2016 Bama had stellar linebackers. 91 UW had 11 taken in the 92 draft. 2016 Bama had 10 taken in the 2017 draft. One a truly great team, and the other an outstanding team.
Obligatory UW is not nor ever has been Bama qualifier. Bama is operating at an extremely high level, as they have done a few times in my lifetime. When Saban leaves, they may flail awhile while trying to find then next Bryant, Stallings, Saban, but they will eventually get there. Pete is not like those guys. I could be wrong, but I doubt he will take take a chance on some of the "fast strategy" types that go to school to be football players only, and that's what it takes to be a Bama or Ohio State. I just don't think it will happen; the school from the administration on down won't allow it, including (likely) Pete himself. The James gang had a bit less reluctance in this area, hence 90-91 UW, and a slew of some of the meanest motherfuckers to ever roll through UW's football program starting in the late 70's and rolling through 2000, along side some surprisingly good "choir boys".
You fucking homers act like he's recruiting Rhodes Scholars who are choosing between playing at Harvard, MIT and Washington. Cheese and Rice.
Did it ever occur to you that he'd like to grab more guysm like the ones he saw on the other side of the field in the Peach Bowl, except those guysms have a lot of choices and don't all love UW like you guysms do?
This "won't take a chance" shit is a built-in excuse, and just one click of homer stupid above "academis", neither of which is really a thing.
Anybody who actually believes (hello Dennis) that Peterman would turn down an elite talent who legitimately wanted to play at UW because OKG or slow strategy or talent-phobia is just fucking stupid. This is a high-paying gig typically held by very serious people who make very serious decisions that are calibrated to generate results that allow for job security.
Washington can recruit and on occasion recruit at an elite level. But at the end of the day, there is a relative dearth of talent in this region of the country, and Washington isn't a household name in cf, as much as it pains you all to hear that. It's a name, it's a known quantity, it's respected. It's not Kansas State, but it's also not Oklahoma.
The '91 rewind was special to read. Good God you guys are in love with that fucking team. If the 91 Cal 'too high' Bears could take them to the wire, I think they were just mortal enuff to give Alabama a chance.
I think it's silly that we compare '91 Huskies vs 2016 'Bama. Human beans have gotten much stronger and faster since then. Would Stan even start on a D-Line like Bammer's these days? He was only like 290 which is like 30 lbs less than Greg Gaines. 2001 Miami would kill mid 1980's Miami rather easily.
Hey, I didn't start it. The resident "UW '91 vs. a Tornado" crew started it.
2001 Miami, playing their best football, beats any team I've seen to date when playing their best football. The weapons on that crew still stand out as an embarrassment of riches, even by the standards of today's Bama teams. They had a future HOFer sitting two deep on the bench despite averaging 9yds. a carry every tim he touched the ball. They were stacked with pro bowl level talent with anywhere from two (Reed and Gore) to four (Reed, Gore, Johnson and Wilfork) HOFers. That's not counting Sean Taylor, who would have been a first ballot had he not been killed, sitting on the bench waiting his turn. That's after losing Reggie Wayne, who I think eventually gets in, Dan Morgan & Santana Moss the year before.
That team coached itself to a title. Uncle Fester was perhaps the ultimate example of a caretaker.
Hence why 2000 UW win at home might be our greatest OOC triumph in the past 20 years.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
I assume you are referring to the fact that, whenever people talk about the 91 team, they tend to focus on the defense and the offense gets overlooked. This is true. That's the tendency, and the offense, especially the running game, was nails.
But a "much better" team than bama is a stretch. Better, maybe. Not much.
91 UW had a comparable defense and a far superior QB. It’s not really close.
You are comparing them through the bias of a PAC fan who expects that of their QBs. Saban used the I'd guy differently, and when his stupidity coordinator wasn't putting him in a position to fuss, it worked.
Saban didn't BJH. And he was better at the other skill positions, which suits his offensive style.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
I assume you are referring to the fact that, whenever people talk about the 91 team, they tend to focus on the defense and the offense gets overlooked. This is true. That's the tendency, and the offense, especially the running game, was nails.
But a "much better" team than bama is a stretch. Better, maybe. Not much.
91 UW had a comparable defense and a far superior QB. It’s not really close.
You are comparing them through the bias of a PAC fan who expects that of their QBs. Saban used the I'd guy differently, and when his stupidity coordinator wasn't putting him in a position to fuss, it worked.
Saban didn't BJH. And he was better at the other skill positions, which suits his offensive style.
Hurts was a bad Qb. He’s easily the worst WB Bama has started in the Saban era. You act like Saban is Chip Kelly or something. He’s had plenty of drop back QBs.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
I assume you are referring to the fact that, whenever people talk about the 91 team, they tend to focus on the defense and the offense gets overlooked. This is true. That's the tendency, and the offense, especially the running game, was nails.
But a "much better" team than bama is a stretch. Better, maybe. Not much.
91 UW had a comparable defense and a far superior QB. It’s not really close.
You are comparing them through the bias of a PAC fan who expects that of their QBs. Saban used the I'd guy differently, and when his stupidity coordinator wasn't putting him in a position to fuss, it worked.
Saban didn't BJH. And he was better at the other skill positions, which suits his offensive style.
Hurts was a bad Qb. He’s easily the worst WB Bama has started in the Saban era. You act like Saban is Chip Kelly or something. He’s had plenty of drop back QBs.
Yeah, that's basically true, but as pitchfork said, the real issue is having a coordinator so stupid as to put the game in the hands of a 250 lb. tailback and asking him to throw on critical down and distance plays. Remember Saban losing his shit during those games?
Use him how you can use him and, if you're Bama, it's more than enough.
I saw the 91 defense in person. The Bama defense was better. 91 UW was a much better team than that Bama team, though.
Different teams, different times, but my money would be on 91 UW holding Clemson to fewer than 35. 2016 Bama also gave up 40 to Ole Miss and 30 to Arkansas. 91 UW gave up 21 to Nebraska and WSU. Just my opinion, but having seen both teams I don't think 2016 Bama defense was better than 91 UW.
As far as the teams overall, I agree 91 UW was probably better. They are considered amongst the greatest college football teams of all time, were extremely dominant, went undefeated and won a National Championship, whereas 2016 Bama came up one game short, and did look vulnerable at times. IMO, 91 UW had a huge advantage at QB, 2016 Bama had more powerful running backs. 91 UW had a better Oline and a more aggressive defense, particularly on the Dline with a once in a generation DT. 91 UW had good linebackers, but 2016 Bama had stellar linebackers. 91 UW had 11 taken in the 92 draft. 2016 Bama had 10 taken in the 2017 draft. One a truly great team, and the other an outstanding team.
Obligatory UW is not nor ever has been Bama qualifier. Bama is operating at an extremely high level, as they have done a few times in my lifetime. When Saban leaves, they may flail awhile while trying to find then next Bryant, Stallings, Saban, but they will eventually get there. Pete is not like those guys. I could be wrong, but I doubt he will take take a chance on some of the "fast strategy" types that go to school to be football players only, and that's what it takes to be a Bama or Ohio State. I just don't think it will happen; the school from the administration on down won't allow it, including (likely) Pete himself. The James gang had a bit less reluctance in this area, hence 90-91 UW, and a slew of some of the meanest motherfuckers to ever roll through UW's football program starting in the late 70's and rolling through 2000, along side some surprisingly good "choir boys".
You fucking homers act like he's recruiting Rhodes Scholars who are choosing between playing at Harvard, MIT and Washington. Cheese and Rice.
Did it ever occur to you that he'd like to grab more guysm like the ones he saw on the other side of the field in the Peach Bowl, except those guysms have a lot of choices and don't all love UW like you guysms do?
This "won't take a chance" shit is a built-in excuse, and just one click of homer stupid above "academis", neither of which is really a thing.
Anybody who actually believes (hello Dennis) that Peterman would turn down an elite talent who legitimately wanted to play at UW because OKG or slow strategy or talent-phobia is just fucking stupid. This is a high-paying gig typically held by very serious people who make very serious decisions that are calibrated to generate results that allow for job security.
Washington can recruit and on occasion recruit at an elite level. But at the end of the day, there is a relative dearth of talent in this region of the country, and Washington isn't a household name in cf, as much as it pains you all to hear that. It's a name, it's a known quantity, it's respected. It's not Kansas State, but it's also not Oklahoma.
The '91 rewind was special to read. Good God you guys are in love with that fucking team. If the 91 Cal 'too high' Bears could take them to the wire, I think they were just mortal enuff to give Alabama a chance.
I think it's silly that we compare '91 Huskies vs 2016 'Bama. Human beans have gotten much stronger and faster since then. Would Stan even start on a D-Line like Bammer's these days? He was only like 290 which is like 30 lbs less than Greg Gaines. 2001 Miami would kill mid 1980's Miami rather easily.
Hey, I didn't start it. The resident "UW '91 vs. a Tornado" crew started it.
2001 Miami, playing their best football, beats any team I've seen to date when playing their best football. The weapons on that crew still stand out as an embarrassment of riches, even by the standards of today's Bama teams. They had a future HOFer sitting two deep on the bench despite averaging 9yds. a carry every tim he touched the ball. They were stacked with pro bowl level talent with anywhere from two (Reed and Gore) to four (Reed, Gore, Johnson and Wilfork) HOFers. That's not counting Sean Taylor, who would have been a first ballot had he not been killed, sitting on the bench waiting his turn. That's after losing Reggie Wayne, who I think eventually gets in, Dan Morgan & Santana Moss the year before.
That team coached itself to a title. Uncle Fester was perhaps the ultimate example of a caretaker.
Hence why 2000 UW win at home might be our greatest OOC triumph in the past 20 years.
Oklahoma should be paying UW for that natty
Great fucking point. Think of Stoop's legacy if we don't hold on for the W in that game. Oklahomo would be on a 3 decade plus Natty drought.
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Saban didn't BJH. And he was better at the other skill positions, which suits his offensive style.
Use him how you can use him and, if you're Bama, it's more than enough.