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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,695 Founders Club
    Oregon
    creepycoug said:



    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    Jesus row boat! This is a rookie response in this argument genre. I was swatting that shit away back in the royotis days. Sheeit man.

    First, it was the Orange Bowl. Nebraska had their allotment, and they were always filled 100%. I used to go to those games. In those days, there were a lot of pasty-white fat cheese- eating mid western dipshits in Miami in early January. It was a rite of passage for the winner of the Big 8, which was routinely Nebraska. They had more than enough fans there. Plus, it had rained and the field was shit, a decidedly helpful externality for the run-happy Huskers.

    They never got inside Miami's 20 fucking yard line bitch. Not. One. Fucking. Tim. They held Nebraska to 82 yards rushing. Total. Eighty. Two. Fucking. Yards. For the game. How many tims did that happen to Nebraska when Nebraska was Nebraska damnit??!!??!! Hmm? Huh?? Exactly.

    Miami cruised to such an early lead so easily that they put it in cruise the rest of the way. That could have been easily the worst losses in Nebraska history had Miami's offense not gone into shut-down. As it stands, it's still one of them.

    Early season doesn't have shit to do with my balls or rowboat or anything else. What? Did Don Fucking James fail to have the boys ready to play in Lincoln? R U Serious? Look, it's one thing to have a good Cal team sneak up on you. No shame in that. It happens. But Nebraska, in those days, on the road or at home? Nah. That's a game you're ready to play. Nebraska had Washington's number for a good chunk of the gayme.

    Face it. Common opponent suggest that Miami had nothing to be afraid of. I'm sure it would have been a great game. But a Washington route is just frosting that Super Doogs have had to layer on their title cake because it's the only one they have. Understandable.

    That said, this fucking idea that Miami would have struggled against that Washington team doesn't have much empirical support beyond homer supposition. Look at the players on both sides. You had future NFL starters and pro bowl players all over that Miami starting 22, not even including Medearis, who was a fucking monster of a D lineman before his career was cut short; and that D overall was stingy as fuck.

    Don't take my word for it. Witness the following from the Omaha World Herald:

    Nebraska came into the Orange Bowl first nationally in rushing, third in total offense and third in scoring.

    But the Huskers never got inside the Miami 20-yard line, ran for only 82 yards and gained 171 yards overall in suffering a fifth straight bowl loss.

    The last time Nebraska’s offensive statistics were that feeble was the last time it played Miami. In the Orange Bowl after the 1988 season, the Hurricanes won 23-3 and held the Huskers to 80 yards rushing and 135 total yards — both lows in the 30-year Osborne-Bob Devaney era.

    ...

    Osborne didn’t disagree after a first-hand look at the nation’s top point-preventing defense, averaging 8.3 a game.

    “They were awfully quick, and they were stronger up front than we thought,” he said. “The key is that they did a good job penetrating our offensive line and stopping our running game.”

    Nebraska netted 4 yards on its first six possessions, not getting a first down against Miami’s gap-shooting 4-3 alignment until there was 6:11 left in the second quarter.

    Overall, 24 of NU’s 57 offensive plays resulted in no gain or minus yardage.

    The Huskers entered Miami territory only three times in 14 possessions. One of those was because they started there after an interception.


    Tell me again how Jesse fucking Armstead and his friends were going to be a scurred of "NFL cup a coffee" Jay Berry, Beano Bryant & Mario Bailey. It's just not rational.
    Point being is that argument via transitive property is still argument via transitive property. And playing Nebraska in Lincoln is different than getting them in the Orange bowl no matter how many pasty-white cheese eating, corn fed Midwesterners show up.

    If we are being truly objective here, none of us know who would have won a head to head between '91 Dawgs and '91 Canes. It probably would have been a tight game decided in the 4th quarter vs one team winning rather easily.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,676
    Arizona State Teacher's College
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
    Texas A & M
    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:



    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    Jesus row boat! This is a rookie response in this argument genre. I was swatting that shit away back in the royotis days. Sheeit man.

    First, it was the Orange Bowl. Nebraska had their allotment, and they were always filled 100%. I used to go to those games. In those days, there were a lot of pasty-white fat cheese- eating mid western dipshits in Miami in early January. It was a rite of passage for the winner of the Big 8, which was routinely Nebraska. They had more than enough fans there. Plus, it had rained and the field was shit, a decidedly helpful externality for the run-happy Huskers.

    They never got inside Miami's 20 fucking yard line bitch. Not. One. Fucking. Tim. They held Nebraska to 82 yards rushing. Total. Eighty. Two. Fucking. Yards. For the game. How many tims did that happen to Nebraska when Nebraska was Nebraska damnit??!!??!! Hmm? Huh?? Exactly.

    Miami cruised to such an early lead so easily that they put it in cruise the rest of the way. That could have been easily the worst losses in Nebraska history had Miami's offense not gone into shut-down. As it stands, it's still one of them.

    Early season doesn't have shit to do with my balls or rowboat or anything else. What? Did Don Fucking James fail to have the boys ready to play in Lincoln? R U Serious? Look, it's one thing to have a good Cal team sneak up on you. No shame in that. It happens. But Nebraska, in those days, on the road or at home? Nah. That's a game you're ready to play. Nebraska had Washington's number for a good chunk of the gayme.

    Face it. Common opponent suggest that Miami had nothing to be afraid of. I'm sure it would have been a great game. But a Washington route is just frosting that Super Doogs have had to layer on their title cake because it's the only one they have. Understandable.

    That said, this fucking idea that Miami would have struggled against that Washington team doesn't have much empirical support beyond homer supposition. Look at the players on both sides. You had future NFL starters and pro bowl players all over that Miami starting 22, not even including Medearis, who was a fucking monster of a D lineman before his career was cut short; and that D overall was stingy as fuck.

    Don't take my word for it. Witness the following from the Omaha World Herald:

    Nebraska came into the Orange Bowl first nationally in rushing, third in total offense and third in scoring.

    But the Huskers never got inside the Miami 20-yard line, ran for only 82 yards and gained 171 yards overall in suffering a fifth straight bowl loss.

    The last time Nebraska’s offensive statistics were that feeble was the last time it played Miami. In the Orange Bowl after the 1988 season, the Hurricanes won 23-3 and held the Huskers to 80 yards rushing and 135 total yards — both lows in the 30-year Osborne-Bob Devaney era.

    ...

    Osborne didn’t disagree after a first-hand look at the nation’s top point-preventing defense, averaging 8.3 a game.

    “They were awfully quick, and they were stronger up front than we thought,” he said. “The key is that they did a good job penetrating our offensive line and stopping our running game.”

    Nebraska netted 4 yards on its first six possessions, not getting a first down against Miami’s gap-shooting 4-3 alignment until there was 6:11 left in the second quarter.

    Overall, 24 of NU’s 57 offensive plays resulted in no gain or minus yardage.

    The Huskers entered Miami territory only three times in 14 possessions. One of those was because they started there after an interception.


    Tell me again how Jesse fucking Armstead and his friends were going to be a scurred of "NFL cup a coffee" Jay Berry, Beano Bryant & Mario Bailey. It's just not rational.
    Holy shit you're a bigger doog than anyone here.

    Stop living in the fucking past!
    I chinned that, even though it makes no sense.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
    Texas A & M
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:



    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    Jesus row boat! This is a rookie response in this argument genre. I was swatting that shit away back in the royotis days. Sheeit man.

    First, it was the Orange Bowl. Nebraska had their allotment, and they were always filled 100%. I used to go to those games. In those days, there were a lot of pasty-white fat cheese- eating mid western dipshits in Miami in early January. It was a rite of passage for the winner of the Big 8, which was routinely Nebraska. They had more than enough fans there. Plus, it had rained and the field was shit, a decidedly helpful externality for the run-happy Huskers.

    They never got inside Miami's 20 fucking yard line bitch. Not. One. Fucking. Tim. They held Nebraska to 82 yards rushing. Total. Eighty. Two. Fucking. Yards. For the game. How many tims did that happen to Nebraska when Nebraska was Nebraska damnit??!!??!! Hmm? Huh?? Exactly.

    Miami cruised to such an early lead so easily that they put it in cruise the rest of the way. That could have been easily the worst losses in Nebraska history had Miami's offense not gone into shut-down. As it stands, it's still one of them.

    Early season doesn't have shit to do with my balls or rowboat or anything else. What? Did Don Fucking James fail to have the boys ready to play in Lincoln? R U Serious? Look, it's one thing to have a good Cal team sneak up on you. No shame in that. It happens. But Nebraska, in those days, on the road or at home? Nah. That's a game you're ready to play. Nebraska had Washington's number for a good chunk of the gayme.

    Face it. Common opponent suggest that Miami had nothing to be afraid of. I'm sure it would have been a great game. But a Washington route is just frosting that Super Doogs have had to layer on their title cake because it's the only one they have. Understandable.

    That said, this fucking idea that Miami would have struggled against that Washington team doesn't have much empirical support beyond homer supposition. Look at the players on both sides. You had future NFL starters and pro bowl players all over that Miami starting 22, not even including Medearis, who was a fucking monster of a D lineman before his career was cut short; and that D overall was stingy as fuck.

    Don't take my word for it. Witness the following from the Omaha World Herald:

    Nebraska came into the Orange Bowl first nationally in rushing, third in total offense and third in scoring.

    But the Huskers never got inside the Miami 20-yard line, ran for only 82 yards and gained 171 yards overall in suffering a fifth straight bowl loss.

    The last time Nebraska’s offensive statistics were that feeble was the last time it played Miami. In the Orange Bowl after the 1988 season, the Hurricanes won 23-3 and held the Huskers to 80 yards rushing and 135 total yards — both lows in the 30-year Osborne-Bob Devaney era.

    ...

    Osborne didn’t disagree after a first-hand look at the nation’s top point-preventing defense, averaging 8.3 a game.

    “They were awfully quick, and they were stronger up front than we thought,” he said. “The key is that they did a good job penetrating our offensive line and stopping our running game.”

    Nebraska netted 4 yards on its first six possessions, not getting a first down against Miami’s gap-shooting 4-3 alignment until there was 6:11 left in the second quarter.

    Overall, 24 of NU’s 57 offensive plays resulted in no gain or minus yardage.

    The Huskers entered Miami territory only three times in 14 possessions. One of those was because they started there after an interception.


    Tell me again how Jesse fucking Armstead and his friends were going to be a scurred of "NFL cup a coffee" Jay Berry, Beano Bryant & Mario Bailey. It's just not rational.
    Point being is that argument via transitive property is still argument via transitive property. And playing Nebraska in Lincoln is different than getting them in the Orange bowl no matter how many pasty-white cheese eating, corn fed Midwesterners show up.

    If we are being truly objective here, none of us know who would have won a head to head between '91 Dawgs and '91 Canes. It probably would have been a tight game decided in the 4th quarter vs one team winning rather easily.
    I live my life vis a vis the transitive property. HTH

    At the end of the day, however, the level of domination over a common opponent is not irrelevant.

    I'm not buying the home field stuff ... it's helpful, but you can only explain away so much with that. You can get your ass kicked at home too.
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,767
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
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    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:



    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    salemcoog said:

    Washington.

    It's in a case about 10 mins down the street from my house. Stop by some time and I will show it to you.


    Play the '90/91 Canes or GTFO.
    Fuck the Canes. They didn't want anything to do with us. 2-1 bitches.
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Doogs will never admit this, but deep inside even they question the legitimacy of that trophy in the era where championship games are played and won on the field.

    Sure. That's what you faggots tell yourself.

    They butchered the team your Sallys had to come from behind to beat, but somehow where a scurred to play.

    Sure.
    Cuz there is an equivalence to playing the Huskers early in the season in Lincoln with the Canes getting them in Miami on Jan 1st? That kind of logic on the LSAT wouldn't even get one into the University of Idaho pretend law school.
    Jesus row boat! This is a rookie response in this argument genre. I was swatting that shit away back in the royotis days. Sheeit man.

    First, it was the Orange Bowl. Nebraska had their allotment, and they were always filled 100%. I used to go to those games. In those days, there were a lot of pasty-white fat cheese- eating mid western dipshits in Miami in early January. It was a rite of passage for the winner of the Big 8, which was routinely Nebraska. They had more than enough fans there. Plus, it had rained and the field was shit, a decidedly helpful externality for the run-happy Huskers.

    They never got inside Miami's 20 fucking yard line bitch. Not. One. Fucking. Tim. They held Nebraska to 82 yards rushing. Total. Eighty. Two. Fucking. Yards. For the game. How many tims did that happen to Nebraska when Nebraska was Nebraska damnit??!!??!! Hmm? Huh?? Exactly.

    Miami cruised to such an early lead so easily that they put it in cruise the rest of the way. That could have been easily the worst losses in Nebraska history had Miami's offense not gone into shut-down. As it stands, it's still one of them.

    Early season doesn't have shit to do with my balls or rowboat or anything else. What? Did Don Fucking James fail to have the boys ready to play in Lincoln? R U Serious? Look, it's one thing to have a good Cal team sneak up on you. No shame in that. It happens. But Nebraska, in those days, on the road or at home? Nah. That's a game you're ready to play. Nebraska had Washington's number for a good chunk of the gayme.

    Face it. Common opponent suggest that Miami had nothing to be afraid of. I'm sure it would have been a great game. But a Washington route is just frosting that Super Doogs have had to layer on their title cake because it's the only one they have. Understandable.

    That said, this fucking idea that Miami would have struggled against that Washington team doesn't have much empirical support beyond homer supposition. Look at the players on both sides. You had future NFL starters and pro bowl players all over that Miami starting 22, not even including Medearis, who was a fucking monster of a D lineman before his career was cut short; and that D overall was stingy as fuck.

    Don't take my word for it. Witness the following from the Omaha World Herald:

    Nebraska came into the Orange Bowl first nationally in rushing, third in total offense and third in scoring.

    But the Huskers never got inside the Miami 20-yard line, ran for only 82 yards and gained 171 yards overall in suffering a fifth straight bowl loss.

    The last time Nebraska’s offensive statistics were that feeble was the last time it played Miami. In the Orange Bowl after the 1988 season, the Hurricanes won 23-3 and held the Huskers to 80 yards rushing and 135 total yards — both lows in the 30-year Osborne-Bob Devaney era.

    ...

    Osborne didn’t disagree after a first-hand look at the nation’s top point-preventing defense, averaging 8.3 a game.

    “They were awfully quick, and they were stronger up front than we thought,” he said. “The key is that they did a good job penetrating our offensive line and stopping our running game.”

    Nebraska netted 4 yards on its first six possessions, not getting a first down against Miami’s gap-shooting 4-3 alignment until there was 6:11 left in the second quarter.

    Overall, 24 of NU’s 57 offensive plays resulted in no gain or minus yardage.

    The Huskers entered Miami territory only three times in 14 possessions. One of those was because they started there after an interception.


    Tell me again how Jesse fucking Armstead and his friends were going to be a scurred of "NFL cup a coffee" Jay Berry, Beano Bryant & Mario Bailey. It's just not rational.
    Holy shit you're a bigger doog than anyone here.

    Stop living in the fucking past!
    I chinned that, even though it makes no sense.
    Nothing says living in the past like writing a fucking dissertation on a Bowel game from over 25 years ago, complete with stats and quotes and everything.

    Triggered?

    Are you new to this debate friend?
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