Kim Jong-un has committed to denuclearisation

HoustonHusky

The entire point of said article is that Reagan's policies were significantly different than the previous policies of the 1970s, and those policies destabilized the Soviets (trashing their economy, undoing their foreign policy, etc). The article in no way, shape, or form says that at 1980 the Commies were ready to collapse...in fact it says much the opposite. Funny how you left out the next 2 sentences...
"East-West relations in the 1970s and 1980s also underscore the differences between a detente that realizes the other side's goals and one that realizes ours. Finally, we should see that the differences between incremental and radical improvement can sometimes be made by "overdoing it" - by getting separate elements of policy to reinforce each other, not cancel each other out."
All hallmarks of what Reagan did. It tries to be nice and say others deserve credit too (after all, the author was a Moynihan guy hence BearsDontWiin's hardon for him), but in doing so it in no way minimizes Reagan's impact.

You can say a lot of things about the paper, but saying it is a counterpoint to the comment "They said the same thing about Reagan. Now they say the Soviet Union was going to collapse anyway. The Left is never wrong. Just ask them" is just lying, and you got caught.

Here are 2 places to read it for anyone how wants to go drink Zima's with BearsWiin at Kips on 10/27 and pontificate on the virtues of Gorby (you have to set up login if you don't have access to them...):
http://www.oxfordfirstsource.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199794188.013.0194/acref-9780199794188-e-194
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42894854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

And I'm good with this thread dying (again)...hopefully BearWiin won't go start lying (again) to haul it out of its grave...

pawz

HoustonHusky said:

The entire point of said article is that Reagan's policies were significantly different than the previous policies of the 1970s, and those policies destabilized the Soviets (trashing their economy, undoing their foreign policy, etc). The article in no way, shape, or form says that at 1980 the Commies were ready to collapse...in fact it says much the opposite. Funny how you left out the next 2 sentences...
"East-West relations in the 1970s and 1980s also underscore the differences between a detente that realizes the other side's goals and one that realizes ours. Finally, we should see that the differences between incremental and radical improvement can sometimes be made by "overdoing it" - by getting separate elements of policy to reinforce each other, not cancel each other out."
All hallmarks of what Reagan did. It tries to be nice and say others deserve credit too (after all, the author was a Moynihan guy hence BearsDontWiin's hardon for him), but in doing so it in no way minimizes Reagan's impact.

You can say a lot of things about the paper, but saying it is a counterpoint to the comment "They said the same thing about Reagan. Now they say the Soviet Union was going to collapse anyway. The Left is never wrong. Just ask them" is just lying, and you got caught.

Here are 2 places to read it for anyone how wants to go drink Zima's with BearsWiin at Kips on 10/27 and pontificate on the virtues of Gorby (you have to set up login if you don't have access to them...):
http://www.oxfordfirstsource.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199794188.013.0194/acref-9780199794188-e-194
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42894854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

And I'm good with this thread dying (again)...hopefully BearWiin won't go start lying (again) to haul it out of its grave...

For the record, we? did not drink zimas two years ago.

TierbsHsotBoobs

RaceBannon said:

It's still better than a GayBob/Hondo thread.













And Sark is better than Ty

creepycoug

Ladies, ladies. Creep has left the building. This one is now beaten and dead. I'm sorry, but I have to score it in favor of Houston. The Bear will live to fight another day.

So the Creep has written it. So it shall be.