Wilner on other Power 5s poaching the west
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This is an issue for UW IF we aren’t expanding our geographic footprint.
What it tells me is that the P12 is going to lose West Coast kids (that has never not been the case). Those schools that can supplement will be fine. Those that rely on the West Coast to drive their recruiting are in big trouble.
This is why it is so important that we are able to find kids in Texas that can help supplement. If we are losing say 3 kids a year out of our geographic area we need to get 3 kids to replace.
My bigger concern is that the P12 starts moving in the direction of the Big 12 where you have definite have’s and definite have not’s. While we will be a have in the P12 model, the implications for the conference is that the margin for error will get smaller. -
Pac-12 PRIDEFremontTroll said:we need the conference as a whole to be strong as well.
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I always root for Pac 12 schools when they aren't playing us other than WSU, UO, OSU, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU, CU, and Utah
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Kids want to play in front of packed houses, on big stages, for big stakes. They want good facilities and they want great coaching. They want to go to the next level, but if not, they want to be a college legend.
And in between games they want hot mid-west and southern dance team ass!
The training facilities in the Pac, and the coaching is largely adequate or above adequate. But you look at some of the apathetic fan bases (Cal, Stanford, Arizona); rinky dink stadiums (OSU, WSU); and large but usually empty settings (USC, UCLA, ASU). More than half the league is less than an ideal stage or setting for college football IMHO.
Contrast that with BIG 10, SEC, and Big 12 stadiums that are packed even when the teams stink. Football is devoured in those parts of the country and occupies a higher and more revered place in the community and so are the players.
Furthermore, west coast chicks aren't hot enough, aside from portions of Cali and Arizona. Most chicks in Washington and Oregon no longer shave there underarms for christ's sake.
Before each game was televised I would imagine a kid would stay closer to home so that his family could participate in his career. That is no longer necessary with the widespread coverage of the sport and with the ease of today's communication.
Not sure what the solution is, but it is a difficult problem to overcome. I would suggest getting back to a more traditional schedule with set kick off times to get the crowds back but I know that would hurt TV revenue.
In closing, hotter cheerleaders wouldn't hurt (SC makes everyone else look stupid in this department).
So ya, the west coast IS fucked! -
Skinny thinks the Georgia strange is nothing special after spending a few years there.DawgWagonDan said:Kids want to play in front of packed houses, on big stages, for big stakes. They want good facilities and they want great coaching. They want to go to the next level, but if not, they want to be a college legend.
And in between games they want hot mid-west and southern dance team ass!
The training facilities in the Pac, and the coaching is largely adequate or above adequate. But you look at some of the apathetic fan bases (Cal, Stanford, Arizona); rinky dink stadiums (OSU, WSU); and large but usually empty settings (USC, UCLA, ASU). More than half the league is less than an ideal stage or setting for college football IMHO.
Contrast that with BIG 10, SEC, and Big 12 stadiums that are packed even when the teams stink. Football is devoured in those parts of the country and occupies a higher and more revered place in the community and so are the players.
Furthermore, west coast chicks aren't hot enough, aside from portions of Cali and Arizona. Most chicks in Washington and Oregon no longer shave there underarms for christ's sake.
Before each game was televised I would imagine a kid would stay closer to home so that his family could participate in his career. That is no longer necessary with the widespread coverage of the sport and with the ease of today's communication.
Not sure what the solution is, but it is a difficult problem to overcome. I would suggest getting back to a more traditional schedule with set kick off times to get the crowds back but I know that would hurt TV revenue.
In closing, hotter cheerleaders wouldn't hurt (SC makes everyone else look stupid in this department).
So ya, the west coast IS fucked! -
"Skinny thinks the Georgia strange is nothing special after spending a few years there."
It's never better than PT.
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Kids are traveling between regions more than ever before as are families. They are less tied to the "hometown" than ever before. Recruiting reflects this. Either become a national brand or watch as your geographic footprint gets picked apart by those who are.FremontTroll said:He didn't list who the 8 players deciding on signing day were but Penis Swell chose Oregon and nearly all the rest chose USC. So the article is slightly melodramatic.
That being said I've been sounding the alarm bells on this for years. We should never cheer when some CA kid chooses Oklahoma or Notre Dame over USC or UCLA.
California, and the West in general, has greater competition for fewer elite recruits than the Southeast or Texas. Then if the outflows are greater than the inflows from outside the region it makes the conference even weaker.
Also every kid USC misses out on means more competition for the next kid down the line since we almost never go outside the region.
To some extent this is all mitigated by USC, Stanford, and even Oregon going national but ultimately if UW is going to win a National Championship we don't just need our own program to recruit at an elite level- we need the conference as a whole to be strong as well. -
I know this is sort of the CW (the DM guys said five years ago the notion of "the fence" was obsolete because Twitter), I'm just not sure there's any hard evidence to back it up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Kids are traveling between regions more than ever before as are families. They are less tied to the "hometown" than ever before. Recruiting reflects this. Either become a national brand or watch as your geographic footprint gets picked apart by those who are.FremontTroll said:He didn't list who the 8 players deciding on signing day were but Penis Swell chose Oregon and nearly all the rest chose USC. So the article is slightly melodramatic.
That being said I've been sounding the alarm bells on this for years. We should never cheer when some CA kid chooses Oklahoma or Notre Dame over USC or UCLA.
California, and the West in general, has greater competition for fewer elite recruits than the Southeast or Texas. Then if the outflows are greater than the inflows from outside the region it makes the conference even weaker.
Also every kid USC misses out on means more competition for the next kid down the line since we almost never go outside the region.
To some extent this is all mitigated by USC, Stanford, and even Oregon going national but ultimately if UW is going to win a National Championship we don't just need our own program to recruit at an elite level- we need the conference as a whole to be strong as well.
I'm with Coker and DDY that the fence is always priority one. -
It is just so much more convenient, less selling, closer travel, easier access, kids GET IT, etc, etc.dnc said:
I know this is sort of the CW (the DM guys said five years ago the notion of "the fence" was obsolete because Twitter), I'm just not sure there's any hard evidence to back it up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Kids are traveling between regions more than ever before as are families. They are less tied to the "hometown" than ever before. Recruiting reflects this. Either become a national brand or watch as your geographic footprint gets picked apart by those who are.FremontTroll said:He didn't list who the 8 players deciding on signing day were but Penis Swell chose Oregon and nearly all the rest chose USC. So the article is slightly melodramatic.
That being said I've been sounding the alarm bells on this for years. We should never cheer when some CA kid chooses Oklahoma or Notre Dame over USC or UCLA.
California, and the West in general, has greater competition for fewer elite recruits than the Southeast or Texas. Then if the outflows are greater than the inflows from outside the region it makes the conference even weaker.
Also every kid USC misses out on means more competition for the next kid down the line since we almost never go outside the region.
To some extent this is all mitigated by USC, Stanford, and even Oregon going national but ultimately if UW is going to win a National Championship we don't just need our own program to recruit at an elite level- we need the conference as a whole to be strong as well.
I'm with Coker and DDY that the fence is always priority one. -
Its not twitter its demographics. Jobs and families move more now(if you want I could pull actual research etc. There's plenty out there.) If a kid grew up in Wa and such Id consider the fence a real thing. If he moved here at 14 after stops at two other locations along the way its much less a factor even if hes considered a "Washington" recruit.dnc said:
I know this is sort of the CW (the DM guys said five years ago the notion of "the fence" was obsolete because Twitter), I'm just not sure there's any hard evidence to back it up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Kids are traveling between regions more than ever before as are families. They are less tied to the "hometown" than ever before. Recruiting reflects this. Either become a national brand or watch as your geographic footprint gets picked apart by those who are.FremontTroll said:He didn't list who the 8 players deciding on signing day were but Penis Swell chose Oregon and nearly all the rest chose USC. So the article is slightly melodramatic.
That being said I've been sounding the alarm bells on this for years. We should never cheer when some CA kid chooses Oklahoma or Notre Dame over USC or UCLA.
California, and the West in general, has greater competition for fewer elite recruits than the Southeast or Texas. Then if the outflows are greater than the inflows from outside the region it makes the conference even weaker.
Also every kid USC misses out on means more competition for the next kid down the line since we almost never go outside the region.
To some extent this is all mitigated by USC, Stanford, and even Oregon going national but ultimately if UW is going to win a National Championship we don't just need our own program to recruit at an elite level- we need the conference as a whole to be strong as well.
I'm with Coker and DDY that the fence is always priority one.
