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JT Tuimoloau, 5* 2021 DL, Bellevue (Eastside Catholic), WA (Offered 9/22/17)

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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    huskyhooligan said:

    I'm hearing from a very reliable source he's coming to UW. I heard the waiting thing is to help UW get all the hype about the signing, months after people stopped caring and moved onto the upcoming season.

    I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the ZTF injury isn’t a benefit in regards to getting JT. He starts or at least gets rotational playing time outside and we need his size out there. Bowman and maybe ZTF are gone after this year. Him and Smalls (although McDonald and Brice will be real competition) take over.

    The longer it goes, the better for us. He seems to be having a hard time committing to moving away. He’s going to UW or Ohio State. He won’t go to Oregon.
    Nobody with a brain would tell ZTF to go pro after this season coming off the injury he’s had and the fact he’s got so little game film on tape

    This is one of your worst takes
    If he shows he’s healthy by January, why wouldn’t he go pro? If he shows he’s healthy again, go get paid. Guys that get injured still go pro all the time. Weird and somewhat archaic take by you, but okay. Returning and risking injury is always the smarter move. It worked out well for Trey Adams.
    What is it with all the bad analogies in this thread? Trey had, what, 20+ starts when he suffered his injury? Again, ZTF has four. That's the entire point here - he has way too little film.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,805 Swaye's Wigwam
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    huskyhooligan said:

    I'm hearing from a very reliable source he's coming to UW. I heard the waiting thing is to help UW get all the hype about the signing, months after people stopped caring and moved onto the upcoming season.

    I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the ZTF injury isn’t a benefit in regards to getting JT. He starts or at least gets rotational playing time outside and we need his size out there. Bowman and maybe ZTF are gone after this year. Him and Smalls (although McDonald and Brice will be real competition) take over.

    The longer it goes, the better for us. He seems to be having a hard time committing to moving away. He’s going to UW or Ohio State. He won’t go to Oregon.
    Nobody with a brain would tell ZTF to go pro after this season coming off the injury he’s had and the fact he’s got so little game film on tape

    This is one of your worst takes
    If he shows he’s healthy by January, why wouldn’t he go pro? If he shows he’s healthy again, go get paid. Guys that get injured still go pro all the time. Weird and somewhat archaic take by you, but okay. Returning and risking injury is always the smarter move. It worked out well for Trey Adams.
    What is it with all the bad analogies in this thread? Trey had, what, 20+ starts when he suffered his injury? Again, ZTF has four. That's the entire point here - he has way too little film.
    One season is enough. One half of a season of high level play and a million dollar body was enough for Tryon.

    Is it a safe assumption that ZTF isn't going to play significant time thus year? I'm pretty sure you guys are right. Even an amazing recovery would have him trying to rehab into game shape, probably around mid-late season at best. He'll definitely needs another full season.
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  • OreDawg
    OreDawg Member Posts: 688
    chuck said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    huskyhooligan said:

    I'm hearing from a very reliable source he's coming to UW. I heard the waiting thing is to help UW get all the hype about the signing, months after people stopped caring and moved onto the upcoming season.

    I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the ZTF injury isn’t a benefit in regards to getting JT. He starts or at least gets rotational playing time outside and we need his size out there. Bowman and maybe ZTF are gone after this year. Him and Smalls (although McDonald and Brice will be real competition) take over.

    The longer it goes, the better for us. He seems to be having a hard time committing to moving away. He’s going to UW or Ohio State. He won’t go to Oregon.
    Nobody with a brain would tell ZTF to go pro after this season coming off the injury he’s had and the fact he’s got so little game film on tape

    This is one of your worst takes
    If he shows he’s healthy by January, why wouldn’t he go pro? If he shows he’s healthy again, go get paid. Guys that get injured still go pro all the time. Weird and somewhat archaic take by you, but okay. Returning and risking injury is always the smarter move. It worked out well for Trey Adams.
    What is it with all the bad analogies in this thread? Trey had, what, 20+ starts when he suffered his injury? Again, ZTF has four. That's the entire point here - he has way too little film.
    One season is enough. One half of a season of high level play and a million dollar body was enough for Tryon.

    Is it a safe assumption that ZTF isn't going to play significant time thus year? I'm pretty sure you guys are right. Even an amazing recovery would have him trying to rehab into game shape, probably around mid-late season at best. He'll definitely needs another full season.
    Also, even if he comes back this year he’s not going to be anywhere near what he was last year, 8 months out from this surgery. More like a full year to 15 months to regain his athleticism. He pretty much has to come back.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,383 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2021
    Any of you see Dylan Moses from Alabama went undrafted? How did returning to Bama work out for him? I think he at least had an insurance policy. But coming back is why he went undrafted. I doubt he would have after last year with the torn ACL. Someone would have taken a chance in the middle rounds. Hypothetical but still.

    ZTF won’t be a first round pick ever after tearing his Achilles. Very likely too scary of injury. Take all the screenshots you need.

    Yes, he has limited film and other examples have many more starts. If he comes back and gets hurt again, his career is basically over. One contract in the NFL > being an undrafted free agent with very little to no guaranteed money.

    If he’s healthy by the end of next year and can test at the combine, he should go. This is a bad injury.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,379
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Any of you see Dylan Moses from Alabama went undrafted? How did returning to Bama work out for him? I think he at least had an insurance policy. But coming back is why he went undrafted. I doubt he would have after last year with the torn ACL. Hypothetical but still.

    ZTF won’t be a first round pick ever after tearing his Achilles. Very likely too scary of injury. Take all the screenshots you need.

    Yes, he has limited film and other examples have many more starts. If he comes back and gets hurt again, his career is basically over. One contract in the NFL > being an undrafted free agent with very little to no guaranteed money.

    If he’s healthy by the end of next year and can test at the combine, he should go. This is a bad injury.

    If he comes back healthy, racks up sacks and shows progress against the run, he'll do well. Jalen Phillips was a concussion casualty and out of football until he wasn't.

    ZTF may not be a first rounder but he's not Dylan Moses who is very overrated. He was just ok and had lot of talent in front of and behind him.
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Any of you see Dylan Moses from Alabama went undrafted? How did returning to Bama work out for him? I think he at least had an insurance policy. But coming back is why he went undrafted. I doubt he would have after last year with the torn ACL. Hypothetical but still.

    ZTF won’t be a first round pick ever after tearing his Achilles. Very likely too scary of injury. Take all the screenshots you need.

    Yes, he has limited film and other examples have many more starts. If he comes back and gets hurt again, his career is basically over. One contract in the NFL > being an undrafted free agent with very little to no guaranteed money.

    If he’s healthy by the end of next year and can test at the combine, he should go. This is a bad injury.

    If he wanted to hedge his bets, then sure, he could do that. But I don't think that's the kind of mindset he has. He wouldn't get picked before the fifth round if he left in '22, and in all likelihood would be an UDFA. Something tells me he'll try to play himself into the first round instead.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,383 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2021
    Baseman said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Any of you see Dylan Moses from Alabama went undrafted? How did returning to Bama work out for him? I think he at least had an insurance policy. But coming back is why he went undrafted. I doubt he would have after last year with the torn ACL. Hypothetical but still.

    ZTF won’t be a first round pick ever after tearing his Achilles. Very likely too scary of injury. Take all the screenshots you need.

    Yes, he has limited film and other examples have many more starts. If he comes back and gets hurt again, his career is basically over. One contract in the NFL > being an undrafted free agent with very little to no guaranteed money.

    If he’s healthy by the end of next year and can test at the combine, he should go. This is a bad injury.

    If he comes back healthy, racks up sacks and shows progress against the run, he'll do well. Jalen Phillips was a concussion casualty and out of football until he wasn't.

    ZTF may not be a first rounder but he's not Dylan Moses who is very overrated. He was just ok and had lot of talent in front of and behind him.
    Jalen Phillips was a first round pick despite being on a team that gave up 500+ yards rushing to North Carolina. Stopping the run is a bonus. Pass rushers are crucial at any level, but especially in the NFL.

    Point is, if ZTF plays a couple games (or even if he doesn’t), shows he’s healthy, a team is picking a pass rusher like him fairly early provided he can run at the combine and is healthy after the Achilles tear.

    Thinking he will come back next year, play great, nobody like Trice, Smalls, and possibly JT will be taking snaps from him is pretty doogish. Coming back is a bigger risk than being a mid round pick.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    Phillips IMO would be a greater injury risk than ZTF long term
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Tequilla said:

    Phillips IMO would be a greater injury risk than ZTF long term

    Short but a dumb fucking take. @NeGgaPlEaSe please set this man straight
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