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JT Tuimoloau, 5* 2021 DL, Bellevue (Eastside Catholic), WA (Offered 9/22/17)

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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    CallMeBigErn said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    Best guess is

    CallMeBigErn said:

    backthepack said:

    UW or Ohio State. Papa Tui is pushing OSU.

    Is it some sort of obligation for Samoan parents/families to take over their kid's recruitment? Marlon, Togiai, Kaho, Tootoo, and now JTT? In a just world, every single one of these players would be Dawgs. Sick of this shit. If you can't beat em, join em.
    To keep positive, I just always assume for every kid that has a parent or family member who makes them go somewhere else when it seems they actually want to go to UW, there's probably a kid who wanted to go somewhere else whose parents made him go to UW. I can think of a few specific standout players who come to mind.

    Is there anything substantial to show JT is still seriously considering UW or is it just speculation because the longer this drags out and the longer he can't visit Ohio State, the more staying home or going to Oregon makes sense?
    If these recruitments were on the level, that would be a fair argument, but these kids are clearly spurning UW for nefarious reasons. It's been proven in Marlon's and Tootoo's case. And we know Kaho and Togiai likely got Dodge Chargers or some shit. Fuck, man. Drives me crazy.
    I roll my eyes every time a TBSer shits on a coach for losing a prospect because, "It's sales°." If I'm bidding against a competitor, and the competitor says, "I'll pay you to do the job!" No amount of sales or awesomeness is going to overcome that.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Sales" has little to do with it. Sure, being likeable and giving a shit/working hard to stay in communication with a PSA and make him feel important helps, but that's baseline shit, and I have a hard time believing that there's any coach that doesn't at least make a half assed effort at this. Which is to say the difference between the best recruiter in the country an the worst when it comes to pure "salesmanship" is WAY smaller than the difference between one school and another in terms of benefits--both on the level and not.

    There are simply players/families who will take the biggest bag. We all know that programs that are offering the biggest bags. There are players who want to chase rings. There are players who want to play for a name brand. There are players who want to play close to home (Dads won't fly).

    Which is why, honestly, I'm not as conspiratorial now as I used to be. With JTT, for instance, I don't at all immediately jump to the "he's taking a bag" conclusion. Say what you will about Petersen's offense or lack of motivation/success at the end, but he was a brand that was trusted. When a hometown kid passed that up to go to the likes of OSU, that's suspicious. Not knocking Lake necessarily, but UW does now have a first time head coach with no such national cachet. It's a lot more understandable now that a PSA would want to take a safer bed than rolling the dice with the new guy. If Lake starts stacking conference titles and winning decent bowl games (Narrator: "He won't...") and this kind of recruiting loss keeps happening, I'll go back to being awfully cynical.

    UW is coming off a 4-5 conference record and a 3-1 season full of embarrassing play and a loss to a team fresh from the Denny's parking lot. That's not a "get the local 5-star to stay home" resume. It's that simple to me.
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,502
    Lake is no longer a 1st time coach now.

    Pac-12 North Champions!

    Donovan > Hamden

    Did Malloe get a bump in pay? Also, would love to see Rowan earn his promotion by getting JTT to pop.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,672
    LebamDawg said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    backthepack said:

    UW or Ohio State. Papa Tui is pushing OSU.

    Is it some sort of obligation for Samoan parents/families to take over their kid's recruitment? Marlon, Togiai, Kaho, Tootoo, and now JTT? In a just world, every single one of these players would be Dawgs. Sick of this shit. If you can't beat em, join em.
    I have a Samoan friend, and he told me the traditional Samoan father is the literal, absolute head of family, and his word is law, no questions asked.
    his mom told him to say that
    My guy found out, or, as the kids say, he fucked around and found out...One too many curfew misses as a HS senior, and his plans suddenly were changed from UW to CL (Camp Lejeune)...ITHFHS
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  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited March 2021
    DawgDaze71 said:

    No matter how bad things get as an overbearing father ....Kellen Winslow Sr has to take the cake for douche father. My son has behavioral issue ...let's send him across the country to Miami. Enjoy your Daddy/Son prison visits asshole.

    Fun fact... I'm named after Kellen Winslow Sr.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,731 Founders Club
    edited March 2021
    1to392831weretaken said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    Best guess is

    CallMeBigErn said:

    backthepack said:

    UW or Ohio State. Papa Tui is pushing OSU.

    Is it some sort of obligation for Samoan parents/families to take over their kid's recruitment? Marlon, Togiai, Kaho, Tootoo, and now JTT? In a just world, every single one of these players would be Dawgs. Sick of this shit. If you can't beat em, join em.
    To keep positive, I just always assume for every kid that has a parent or family member who makes them go somewhere else when it seems they actually want to go to UW, there's probably a kid who wanted to go somewhere else whose parents made him go to UW. I can think of a few specific standout players who come to mind.

    Is there anything substantial to show JT is still seriously considering UW or is it just speculation because the longer this drags out and the longer he can't visit Ohio State, the more staying home or going to Oregon makes sense?
    If these recruitments were on the level, that would be a fair argument, but these kids are clearly spurning UW for nefarious reasons. It's been proven in Marlon's and Tootoo's case. And we know Kaho and Togiai likely got Dodge Chargers or some shit. Fuck, man. Drives me crazy.
    I roll my eyes every time a TBSer shits on a coach for losing a prospect because, "It's sales°." If I'm bidding against a competitor, and the competitor says, "I'll pay you to do the job!" No amount of sales or awesomeness is going to overcome that.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Sales" has little to do with it. Sure, being likeable and giving a shit/working hard to stay in communication with a PSA and make him feel important helps, but that's baseline shit, and I have a hard time believing that there's any coach that doesn't at least make a half assed effort at this. Which is to say the difference between the best recruiter in the country an the worst when it comes to pure "salesmanship" is WAY smaller than the difference between one school and another in terms of benefits--both on the level and not.

    There are simply players/families who will take the biggest bag. We all know that programs that are offering the biggest bags. There are players who want to chase rings. There are players who want to play for a name brand. There are players who want to play close to home (Dads won't fly).

    Which is why, honestly, I'm not as conspiratorial now as I used to be. With JTT, for instance, I don't at all immediately jump to the "he's taking a bag" conclusion. Say what you will about Petersen's offense or lack of motivation/success at the end, but he was a brand that was trusted. When a hometown kid passed that up to go to the likes of OSU, that's suspicious. Not knocking Lake necessarily, but UW does now have a first time head coach with no such national cachet. It's a lot more understandable now that a PSA would want to take a safer bed than rolling the dice with the new guy. If Lake starts stacking conference titles and winning decent bowl games (Narrator: "He won't...") and this kind of recruiting loss keeps happening, I'll go back to being awfully cynical.

    UW is coming off a 4-5 conference record and a 3-1 season full of embarrassing play and a loss to a team fresh from the Denny's parking lot. That's not a "get the local 5-star to stay home" resume. It's that simple to me.
    This is well said. I've come around a bit to the idea that losing these elite recruits simply can come down to UW not having a ton to sell and not being able to sell it in the best way possible and in 2021, these kids don't have a ton of obligation to feel like they have to rep their home state and many probably don't even see playing at UW as even doing that. They don't care if a handful of random grown men who are Husky fans won't like them if they go somewhere else, including Oregon.

    I actually thought about it from the Oregon side when they were not far removed from playing for national titles at all but they were down and guys in their state like Marlon and Molden (who was also a legacy) were gravitating towards UW, who was up at the time, and from what I remember, weren't even that serious about going to their in-state school and none of us really thought it was that crazy.

    I'd much rather lose a kid to Alabama or maybe Clemson where you probably go if you truly want to win a national title but (probably been said a zillion times on this board) losing a kid to Ohio State isn't that crazy. Though I think it's a little bit underplayed that Ohio State is kind of a elite level jobber and won their only two national titles in the modern era in strange fashion and the Big 10 is a little overrated the past 20 years. Still, I'd kill for UW to have what they have.
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  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited March 2021
    FireCohen said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    DawgDaze71 said:

    No matter how bad things get as an overbearing father ....Kellen Winslow Sr has to take the cake for douche father. My son has behavioral issue ...let's send him across the country to Miami. Enjoy your Daddy/Son prison visits asshole.

    Fun fact... I'm named after Kellen Winslow Sr.
    Are you a fucking soldiers like his son? Do you like to pork @Babushka s too
    Do you speak english, sir? Parla usted ingles?
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