CBS Pac-12 coaching job rankings listFS

Gladstone

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pac-12-coaching-job-rankings-usc-on-top-and-a-sharp-drop-after-the-top-tier/

Stanford is wayyyy too high and I'd probably mix up the UO/UW/UCLA order in some way. Agree with #1 and #12.

RaceBannon

USC is a great job if you love a challenge and don't mind risking it being your last stop. You have to win big there and more fail than succeed.

If you do win you have about 10 years before you burn out.

UW has improved because they seem to care about football again or they got lucky with Petermen. Time will tell. You don't have to win big every year. You can make a career there at 70% winning percentage.

The rest of the Pac is a stepping stone to better jobs in college or the NFL with the possible exception of Oregon although Helfrich getting fired after winning the natty (almost!) says 17 year plans may no longer work there.

Or you can be a loser like Rich Rod and retire at Arizona and nobody notices

YellowSnow

Oregon's fan base is loyal? The fuck? Go through the shit we all did from 2002- 15 then try filling Autzen. No other school in the conference could be at shitty as we were in 2008 and still average 64K in attendance the following year.

FremontTroll

Cal still too high.

LoneStarDawg

YellowSnow said:

Oregon's fan base is loyal? The fuck? Go through the shit we all did from 2002- 15 then try filling Autzen. No other school in the conference could be at shitty as we were in 2008 and still average 64K in attendance the following year.

Nobody hates money as hard as DAWG fans do

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

USC is a great job if you love a challenge and don't mind risking it being your last stop. You have to win big there and more fail than succeed.

If you do win you have about 10 years before you burn out.

UW has improved because they seem to care about football again or they got lucky with Petermen. Time will tell. You don't have to win big every year. You can make a career there at 70% winning percentage.

The rest of the Pac is a stepping stone to better jobs in college or the NFL with the possible exception of Oregon although Helfrich getting fired after winning the natty (almost!) says 17 year plans may no longer work there.

Or you can be a loser like Rich Rod and retire at Arizona and nobody notices

With the right coach (always a big if) what other program give you the best shot at competing for a NT periodically w/o absurd fan base expectations (i.e., 70% is considered good enough) than UW? Stanford - feel like they would have already won one by now if it were possible? Wisconsin, Michigan State? Seems like they won't ever get the talent needed to break though. Don't know much about Clemson's fans historically speaking and their expectations but seems like Dabo is playing with more house money than any coach in CFB history.

YellowSnow

LoneStarDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

Oregon's fan base is loyal? The fuck? Go through the shit we all did from 2002- 15 then try filling Autzen. No other school in the conference could be at shitty as we were in 2008 and still average 64K in attendance the following year.

Nobody hates money as hard as DAWG fans do

creepycoug

^ eh, they have a pretty solid following. I mean, there's not much more to do down there besides taste wine and cook/smoke meth.

I'll just say this: these 'best gig' rankings have to be divided into two categories to make any sense: best for winners and best for job security seekers. Those are two wildly different goals, and the lists are wildly different.

Best job for winners? As in, I want to make a run at a title? One list. I want to hang around forever and ever and be a good guy everyone likes and make speeches at the Kiwanis club, be a molder of good men, etc. etc? That's a different list, and none of the schools on List 1 is on this list. Maybe the best contrast in the Pac now are 30 minutes apart: Oregon and Oregon State. Reilly could have stayed forever. Oregon has developed actual expectations.

The interesting list is the pergatory: the list of schools in that UW sweet spot. You know, the schools who have a fan base that can delude themselves into thinking they're one thing, when they're really not, but it assuages the disappointment of not being really good in any given decade. In UW's case, the exaggerated sense of elite academis, the whole "classy" shit routine, the "most scenic game day experience crap, the 1991 look-back, Nebraska standing ovation, "USC really respects us as their favorite #2, natural order," shit ... all the things that people use to get through 7-4 seasons. This shit will buy you time, but alas Washington is a winner at heart, and winners want to win. It's Michigan west, though Michigan got REAL comfortable being "We're Michigan" for a REAL long time.

Generally, there is nothing in the west approaching the pressure one feels at Ohio State, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, etc. USC comes closest. They don't tend to lean on as much diversionary loser shit as Washington does in the bad times: they just have the "We Are SC" mantra, which is stupid, and a real, undisputed, winning tradition, which is what'll get ya if you get too comfortable with 8 win seasons.

RaceBannon

creepycoug said:

^ eh, they have a pretty solid following. I mean, there's not much more to do down there besides taste wine and cook/smoke meth.

I'll just say this: these 'best gig' rankings have to be divided into two categories to make any sense: best for winners and best for job security seekers. Those are two wildly different goals, and the lists are wildly different.

Best job for winners? As in, I want to make a run at a title? One list. I want to hang around forever and ever and be a good guy everyone likes and make speeches at the Kiwanis club, be a molder of good men, etc. etc? That's a different list, and none of the schools on List 1 is on this list. Maybe the best contrast in the Pac now are 30 minutes apart: Oregon and Oregon State. Reilly could have stayed forever. Oregon has developed actual expectations.

The interesting list is the pergatory: the list of schools in that UW sweet spot. You know, the schools who have a fan base that can delude themselves into thinking they're one thing, when they're really not, but it assuages the disappointment of not being really good in any given decade. In UW's case, the exaggerated sense of elite academis, the whole "classy" shit routine, the "most scenic game day experience crap, the 1991 look-back, Nebraska standing ovation, "USC really respects us as their favorite #2, natural order," shit ... all the things that people use to get through 7-4 seasons. This shit will buy you time, but alas Washington is a winner at heart, and winners want to win. It's Michigan west, though Michigan got REAL comfortable being "We're Michigan" for a REAL long time.

Generally, there is nothing in the west approaching the pressure one feels at Ohio State, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, etc. USC comes closest. They don't tend to lean on as much diversionary loser shit as Washington does in the bad times: they just have the "We Are SC" mantra, which is stupid, and a real, undisputed, winning tradition, which is what'll get ya if you get too comfortable with 8 win seasons.

This post is worth reading.

Nick Saban's seat has to be getting warm with the play off failures two out of three years

rodmansrage

creepycoug

Always good to see Ewa still reeds strong.

winky winky