Celts to trade first pick to Sixers ? Fultz had thought lakers or boston
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I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly -
I'm guessing Saric is involved in the deal.
I could see Jackson end up being the best player in the draft, especially considering a two way wing/ small ball PF is probably the most valuable commodity in today's game. -
Can we make this the Game of Thrones bored until the NBA starts back up next June?
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Tequilla said:
I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55246745/usa_today_9969061.0.jpg)
De'Aron Fox would like a word.
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I definitely think Fox is in the discussion
Jackson and Fox appear to me to have the greatest compete in them in this draft ...
Monk is a massive wild card to me -
Fultz is the surest bet in my opinion. No way he's not a 20+ scorer.
Fox is good. Just a question if he will ever have a reliable jumper.
1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Fox
Rest of the guys are kind of whatever to me. I don't know a lot about Dennis Smith. Same for the Florida State guy. Monk will be a good player. Tatum isn't anything special. I like Markannan's game, but he won't be able to defend well enough. -
The NBA should consider making their season longer than 5 games and a possible expansion so there is more than 2 teams.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Can we make this the Game of Thrones bored until the NBA starts back up next June?
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Fox will make 10 times what Ball does over the course of their respective careers. He has cajones.RoadDawg55 said:Fultz is the surest bet in my opinion. No way he's not a 20+ scorer.
Fox is good. Just a question if he will ever have a reliable jumper.
1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Fox
Rest of the guys are kind of whatever to me. I don't know a lot about Dennis Smith. Same for the Florida State guy. Monk will be a good player. Tatum isn't anything special. I like Markannan's game, but he won't be able to defend well enough. -
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
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From what I've heard Ainge probably isn't getting any of the Sixers native picks, probably getting next year's unprotected Lakers pick or the 2019 Sacramento pick.FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I think Fultz and Simmons together would be fascinating for exactly the reasons you described. Would be really chinteresting to see how they do teamed up given the nature of those criticisms. -
I couldn't agree with you more ...FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I could see Fultz being the 2nd or 3rd best player on an elite level team ... but I wouldn't think he's the pillar of a franchise.
Besides the leadership factor, I just don't know if he's got that motor where he competes hard at all times ... at least not comparatively to guys like Jackson and Fox in this draft.
For the same reasons that you mentioned I think I'd avoid Smith from NC State ... too many red flags that I've heard that would keep me away from picking him high (at some point I guess he likely becomes a value).
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If I was Boston I would prefer to have either the Lakers pick next year or Sacramento's 2019 pick versus Philly's as I could see Philly being a playoff team sooner than later.dnc said:
From what I've heard Ainge probably isn't getting any of the Sixers native picks, probably getting next year's unprotected Lakers pick or the 2019 Sacramento pick.FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I think Fultz and Simmons together would be fascinating for exactly the reasons you described. Would be really chinteresting to see how they do teamed up given the nature of those criticisms.
I get the impression that Boston's trying to leverage the Brooklyn pick into getting a franchise caliber player ... and I'm not sure that there's one in this draft. You could definitely argue that there's at least one in next year's draft. -
Except all the experts seem to agree there are at least two in this draft and possibly four or five.Tequilla said:
If I was Boston I would prefer to have either the Lakers pick next year or Sacramento's 2019 pick versus Philly's as I could see Philly being a playoff team sooner than later.dnc said:
From what I've heard Ainge probably isn't getting any of the Sixers native picks, probably getting next year's unprotected Lakers pick or the 2019 Sacramento pick.FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I think Fultz and Simmons together would be fascinating for exactly the reasons you described. Would be really chinteresting to see how they do teamed up given the nature of those criticisms.
I get the impression that Boston's trying to leverage the Brooklyn pick into getting a franchise caliber player ... and I'm not sure that there's one in this draft. You could definitely argue that there's at least one in next year's draft.
This is suposed to be arguably the best top 10 since 2003.
Ainge loves collecting assets and if he likes Jackson as much as Fultz this makes a lot of sense. But they're not getting a better player with next year's Brooklyn pick than he could with this year's.
Agree I'd rather have one of the non native Philly picks. -
I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
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I don't think Kennard goes anywhere near the top 10 but I haven't been following the mocks lately.
Is there a guy who will be the best player on a championship team in this draft? Probably not. But how many drafts have any of those? How many players of that caliber are there in the NBA?
Proven
LeBron
Durant
Curry
Probably
Leonard (Finals MVP but wasn't the best player on that team, probably could be now)
Maybe
Westbrook
Harden
Maaaaybe down the road
Towns
Davis
Embiid
How many of those guys looked like "could be the best player on a title team" when drafted?
James
Durant
Maybe Towns and Davis.
The clearcut "he's going to be the best player on a title team" thing is extremely rare. The chances the Celtics draft one with the Brooklyn pick next year are extremely low.
I think there are four players in this draft who have that kind of potential if things break right though. That's a damn good draft.
Fultz
Ball
Jackson
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You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win. -
The risk with this is Jackson going #2. Interesting strategy for the Celtics. When are they going to finally use all these picks in a trade for George/Butler, etc?dnc said:
Except all the experts seem to agree there are at least two in this draft and possibly four or five.Tequilla said:
If I was Boston I would prefer to have either the Lakers pick next year or Sacramento's 2019 pick versus Philly's as I could see Philly being a playoff team sooner than later.dnc said:
From what I've heard Ainge probably isn't getting any of the Sixers native picks, probably getting next year's unprotected Lakers pick or the 2019 Sacramento pick.FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I think Fultz and Simmons together would be fascinating for exactly the reasons you described. Would be really chinteresting to see how they do teamed up given the nature of those criticisms.
I get the impression that Boston's trying to leverage the Brooklyn pick into getting a franchise caliber player ... and I'm not sure that there's one in this draft. You could definitely argue that there's at least one in next year's draft.
This is suposed to be arguably the best top 10 since 2003.
Ainge loves collecting assets and if he likes Jackson as much as Fultz this makes a lot of sense. But they're not getting a better player with next year's Brooklyn pick than he could with this year's.
Agree I'd rather have one of the non native Philly picks. -
Agree that's the risk, I can't see Boston wanting anything to do with Ball. Maybe they take Tatum three in that unlikely scenario?RoadDawg55 said:
The risk with this is Jackson going #2. Interesting strategy for the Celtics. When are they going to finally use all these picks in a trade for George/Butler, etc?dnc said:
Except all the experts seem to agree there are at least two in this draft and possibly four or five.Tequilla said:
If I was Boston I would prefer to have either the Lakers pick next year or Sacramento's 2019 pick versus Philly's as I could see Philly being a playoff team sooner than later.dnc said:
From what I've heard Ainge probably isn't getting any of the Sixers native picks, probably getting next year's unprotected Lakers pick or the 2019 Sacramento pick.FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I think Fultz and Simmons together would be fascinating for exactly the reasons you described. Would be really chinteresting to see how they do teamed up given the nature of those criticisms.
I get the impression that Boston's trying to leverage the Brooklyn pick into getting a franchise caliber player ... and I'm not sure that there's one in this draft. You could definitely argue that there's at least one in next year's draft.
This is suposed to be arguably the best top 10 since 2003.
Ainge loves collecting assets and if he likes Jackson as much as Fultz this makes a lot of sense. But they're not getting a better player with next year's Brooklyn pick than he could with this year's.
Agree I'd rather have one of the non native Philly picks. -
YOU MUST HAVE A PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP TO READ THE REST OF THIS ARTICLETequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
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YOU MUST HAVE A PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP TO READ THE REST OF THIS ARTICLETequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
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On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
I doubt that they'd make this trade without having 2 players that they view comparably.RoadDawg55 said:
The risk with this is Jackson going #2. Interesting strategy for the Celtics. When are they going to finally use all these picks in a trade for George/Butler, etc?dnc said:
Except all the experts seem to agree there are at least two in this draft and possibly four or five.Tequilla said:
If I was Boston I would prefer to have either the Lakers pick next year or Sacramento's 2019 pick versus Philly's as I could see Philly being a playoff team sooner than later.dnc said:
From what I've heard Ainge probably isn't getting any of the Sixers native picks, probably getting next year's unprotected Lakers pick or the 2019 Sacramento pick.FreeChavez said:
Makes far too much sense for boston to go down a couple picks and possibly take the sixers pick from the upcoming year(s). I like fultz b/c he's a husky, but anyone who said simmons was a ? when he couldn't get his team to the ncaa as the #1 player in the nba draft, should have serious questions about how fultz only could get 9 wins at the college level.Tequilla said:I think there is a good chance that Josh Jackson will end up being the best player in this draft ... only question is whether the Lakers or Boston get him ...
I also think that there's a benefit of getting future picks from Philly
I'm aware he can't do everything on the court, but his leadership was questionable and that doesn't make me want to run to him or simmons after watching their respective teams in college. Ainge would be smart to get whomever is left at #3 and get the sixers first pick next year b/c we all know it will be in the lottery(if not top 5 again).
I think Fultz and Simmons together would be fascinating for exactly the reasons you described. Would be really chinteresting to see how they do teamed up given the nature of those criticisms.
I get the impression that Boston's trying to leverage the Brooklyn pick into getting a franchise caliber player ... and I'm not sure that there's one in this draft. You could definitely argue that there's at least one in next year's draft.
This is suposed to be arguably the best top 10 since 2003.
Ainge loves collecting assets and if he likes Jackson as much as Fultz this makes a lot of sense. But they're not getting a better player with next year's Brooklyn pick than he could with this year's.
Agree I'd rather have one of the non native Philly picks. -
Shit takeTequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
I actually agree with most of this except putting stock in the NCAA tourney is kind of stupid. It's one game.Tequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
Ball isn't going to have a target on his back and none of the nba elites give a fuck about his dad's opinions. Most of that poast is just raw-doobing.RoadDawg55 said:
I actually agree with most of this except putting stock in the NCAA tourney is kind of stupid. It's one game.Tequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
Disagreehaie said:
Ball isn't going to have a target on his back and none of the nba elites give a fuck about his dad's opinions. Most of that poast is just raw-doobing.RoadDawg55 said:
I actually agree with most of this except putting stock in the NCAA tourney is kind of stupid. It's one game.Tequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
Fair point ... but it's comparable to being in the 7th game in the playoffs ... I can definitely tell you that I don't want guys on my roster that don't want the ball when the going gets tough ...RoadDawg55 said:
I actually agree with most of this except putting stock in the NCAA tourney is kind of stupid. It's one game.Tequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it.
Obviously trading out Barnes for KD made the Warriors significantly better ... but honestly, replacing Barnes with any non-pussy would have made the Warriors better. For all the things that went wrong for the Warriors last year in the Finals against the Cavs, if Barnes would have just been average during the Finals they still would have likely won with a little room to spare. -
If you don't think basketball players aren't petty little bitches that take any perceived or real slight and use that for motivation ... then I'd argue that you don't know shit about basketball players.haie said:
Ball isn't going to have a target on his back and none of the nba elites give a fuck about his dad's opinions. Most of that poast is just raw-doobing.RoadDawg55 said:
I actually agree with most of this except putting stock in the NCAA tourney is kind of stupid. It's one game.Tequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
My NBA team is full of players who have taken slights for years from your Doobs and everyone else and still couldn't give a fuck.Tequilla said:
If you don't think basketball players aren't petty little bitches that take any perceived or real slight and use that for motivation ... then I'd argue that you don't know shit about basketball players.haie said:
Ball isn't going to have a target on his back and none of the nba elites give a fuck about his dad's opinions. Most of that poast is just raw-doobing.RoadDawg55 said:
I actually agree with most of this except putting stock in the NCAA tourney is kind of stupid. It's one game.Tequilla said:
On the court I like Ball ... the negatives will likely work themselves out over time. The only thing that has really soured me on him from an on the court perspective is that Fox ate his lunch during the NCAAs and Ball took it on the chin without punching back. That's concerning to me.RoadDawg55 said:
You used to love Ball.Tequilla said:I see a lot of very good players in this draft but I'm not sure if I see a single player that I look at as the top player on a championship team. How low will you have to go in the draft before you get a player picked that was on a Final Four team this year?
Guys I Like in this Draft:
Josh Jackson - safest pick to me to have a long-term career that is at a multiple All Star team level ... I could see him turning into a poor man's Kawhi ... I love how hard he plays and if his offensive game advances he'll be a tremendous player.
De'Arron Fox - he's got that little bit of "fuck you" in his game when it comes to competing ... that will serve him well in the NBA ... his floor to me is being a slightly more aggressive Rondo with the same broken ass jumper ... his ceiling to me is being the kind of in your face lead guard in the Gary Payton mold (who also couldn't shoot early in his career).
Bam Adebayo - his offensive game is still a bit raw but I love his energy and he's got a lot of defensive compete in him ... he's a big that can move and play in today's game and when I saw him in person he reminded me a lot of Dwight Howard with potentially not the shit head in him ... given where he'll be taken there's a good chance that he'll go to a pretty good team and will massively outperform his pick.
Josh Hart - the devalued assets in the draft now are guys that go through their entire college career ... Hart competes hard but he'll get knocked down because he's a senior. He's not going to be a difference maker from the standpoint of being a top 2-3 player on a championship team. But if he's a rotational member of a championship caliber team, he'll make that team better. He's exactly the kind of player that the Spurs, Warriors, etc. would gladly plug into their rotation.
JaWun Evans - he'll be the 5th or 6th PG likely taken in the draft but he'll outperform at least a couple of the guys drafted ahead of him. He can play.
Guys I Don't Like in this Draft:
Dennis Smith - NC State went massively belly up this year ... and from what I'm hearing, I don't get the sense that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I get the impression that he's a talented player that will find himself on losing rosters for the balance of his career.
Luke Kennard - I get it that he can shoot and he's a good offensive player ... but he doesn't strike me as a guy that can defend his position at the NBA level. I see him very similar to Doug McDermott (except McDermott was a far better offensive player in college). He'll I'm sure be a find role player in his career but given that he'll be taken by a lottery team somewhere around the Top 10 they won't be expecting him to be a role player.
Jonathan Issac - I get that he's lanky and fits the bill as to where the game is going ... I just have a feeling that he's going to be more of a bust than a star as I get the sense that he has some disappear in his game.
Could Go Either Way Guys:
Malik Monk - as good of a shooter as any that I've seen in college in a while ... when he gets going watch out. What I'm not sure of is whether he can/will develop the other parts of his game. IF he does he'll end up being one of the 2-3 best players in this draft down the line. IF he doesn't he'll end up being a shooting specialist that will fail to live up to his draft stock.
Lauri Markannen - I actually like him a lot and think that he has the ability to have a long career ... I see a poor man's version of Pau Gasol in him but he's going to have to get stronger, a little quicker, and a little more aggressive (particularly offensively on the interior). He may not have the high end upside of a lot of other guys in the draft, but to me he's a safe bet for an above average 10-12 year run before his downside comes.
Lonzo Ball - his dad is doing him no favors as he's put a massive target on Lonzo's back ... the true measure of him won't be whether he fixes his shot or not but how he will deal with what should be a very difficult rookie year as guys keep punching him in the mouth over and over. He'll need to fix his shot eventually but he's either going to be very good or he'll be out of the league in 5-8 years ... I don't see much in between. I'm getting the sense that Magic isn't liking the compete fiber in him and considering move on because he knows soft players don't win.
My bigger issue with Ball is all the shit his Dad is doing off the court and what kind of target is getting on Lonzo's back. I'd be shocked if he had a strong rookie year because every single player young and old is going to look to get their shots in on Lonzo. Rookie years are hard enough as they are without getting even the veteran's best shots on him. Given Pop's comments about Lonzo being better than Steph Curry, you think Steph may have a 40-50 point game in store for Lonzo next year while Draymond's talking shit in his direction all game long?
If he can survive his rookie year he'll be fine. But there's definitely a non-zero chance that he will never recover from it. -
Jackson will be the best player in this draft. He is basically Andrew Wiggins when he was at Kansas.
