I'd actually put Riley over Sark in the terms of shit accomplishments ...
He's a career 108-91 for his college career and below .500 in conference (58-63 at Oregon St and 9-8 at Nebraska). In the NFL he was 14-34 for 3 seasons turning an 8-8 team in his 1st year into 1-15 his 2nd year. He followed that up in Year 3 by taking a 5-2 start into a 9 game losing streak to finish the year 5-11 and get fired.
In college, in his 16 completed seasons as a college coach, his highest finish in his conference or division is tied for 2nd ... which he's done 3 times. His best bowl game is the Alamo Bowl. His next best bowl game is the Sun Bowl (twice). He's won 7 conference games in a season only once in 16 seasons. He's finished 6-3 in a season in conference 5x. He's never won 8 conference games in a season.
If you want to point to his 40-32 record in Canada and 2 Grey Cups as a sign that he's a great coach, go ahead.
Riley's a very close friend with one of my Uncle's ... by all accounts Riley's a good guy. He's just not a very good coach ... he's in the Romar class of coaches. He stands for the right things and that enamors people that don't want a scandal and to do things the right way.
Sark's actually got talent (at least schematically). He's also for most of his career been a drunk, cheat, and just in general a deplorable human being to his team, coaches, and public. He doesn't have the nuts and bolts in place to be a successful head coach because he's lacking in way too many places. But I also would be surprised if he gets anything more than an OC job anytime in the future ... that's probably his comfort level. Responsible but not responsible.
And if you really want to get to the heart of the Sark vs Riley debate ... Sark was 3-2 against Riley while at UW ...
I'd actually put Riley over Sark in the terms of shit accomplishments ...
He's a career 108-91 for his college career and below .500 in conference (58-63 at Oregon St and 9-8 at Nebraska). In the NFL he was 14-34 for 3 seasons turning an 8-8 team in his 1st year into 1-15 his 2nd year. He followed that up in Year 3 by taking a 5-2 start into a 9 game losing streak to finish the year 5-11 and get fired.
In college, in his 16 completed seasons as a college coach, his highest finish in his conference or division is tied for 2nd ... which he's done 3 times. His best bowl game is the Alamo Bowl. His next best bowl game is the Sun Bowl (twice). He's won 7 conference games in a season only once in 16 seasons. He's finished 6-3 in a season in conference 5x. He's never won 8 conference games in a season.
If you want to point to his 40-32 record in Canada and 2 Grey Cups as a sign that he's a great coach, go ahead.
Riley's a very close friend with one of my Uncle's ... by all accounts Riley's a good guy. He's just not a very good coach ... he's in the Romar class of coaches. He stands for the right things and that enamors people that don't want a scandal and to do things the right way.
Sark's actually got talent (at least schematically). He's also for most of his career been a drunk, cheat, and just in general a deplorable human being to his team, coaches, and public. He doesn't have the nuts and bolts in place to be a successful head coach because he's lacking in way too many places. But I also would be surprised if he gets anything more than an OC job anytime in the future ... that's probably his comfort level. Responsible but not responsible.
And if you really want to get to the heart of the Sark vs Riley debate ... Sark was 3-2 against Riley while at UW ...
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He's a career 108-91 for his college career and below .500 in conference (58-63 at Oregon St and 9-8 at Nebraska). In the NFL he was 14-34 for 3 seasons turning an 8-8 team in his 1st year into 1-15 his 2nd year. He followed that up in Year 3 by taking a 5-2 start into a 9 game losing streak to finish the year 5-11 and get fired.
In college, in his 16 completed seasons as a college coach, his highest finish in his conference or division is tied for 2nd ... which he's done 3 times. His best bowl game is the Alamo Bowl. His next best bowl game is the Sun Bowl (twice). He's won 7 conference games in a season only once in 16 seasons. He's finished 6-3 in a season in conference 5x. He's never won 8 conference games in a season.
If you want to point to his 40-32 record in Canada and 2 Grey Cups as a sign that he's a great coach, go ahead.
Riley's a very close friend with one of my Uncle's ... by all accounts Riley's a good guy. He's just not a very good coach ... he's in the Romar class of coaches. He stands for the right things and that enamors people that don't want a scandal and to do things the right way.
Sark's actually got talent (at least schematically). He's also for most of his career been a drunk, cheat, and just in general a deplorable human being to his team, coaches, and public. He doesn't have the nuts and bolts in place to be a successful head coach because he's lacking in way too many places. But I also would be surprised if he gets anything more than an OC job anytime in the future ... that's probably his comfort level. Responsible but not responsible.
And if you really want to get to the heart of the Sark vs Riley debate ... Sark was 3-2 against Riley while at UW ...