Hopkins hire late edition
1) MPJ leaving means literally nothing to UW. Anyone who believes that Romar staying next year, with MPJ on the roster all of a sudden brings in a Final 4 run hasn't watched Romar coach defense/offense/ or team chemistry the last 6 years.
1a) MPJ means that Hopkins can now start building a roster with guys he wants, offering early PT to big time prospects. Yes this sounds a bit CP kooolaid, but who on UW's current roster would you be heartbroken if they left? My two would be thybulle and johnson. But i'm sure others have at least 1 or 2 others. The rest of the roster needs to leave, or wake up to a new sherrif in town(most please leave). I won't be shocked to see kids transfers in the spring after they see Hopkins is going to be a hard ass that expects actual preparation and work.
2) Dickerson left. He was the winner in the cripple fight of UW roster. Sure, wouldn't hurt if he wanted to stay and buy in, but in reality I'd rather see Hopkins put his own stamp on this roster with his guys. Dickerson isn't exciting and had bought into the romar bullshit that D1 should be about shoot arounds and slappin high fives.
3) I will give Hopkins credit for his rep in recruiting until he doesn't prove it. I actually like what he did with MPJ. His dad was not coming on his staff, and MPJ was not going to go to UW. So he didn't waste time at all. I personally think that's smart. There is no reason to worry about him pulling in talent that can actually be a team, and make moves. He came out of left field, but I sure as hell like his background and his ability to keep conroy on staff. That may open the door to keeping some seattle guys home. I still want to see how he builds out the entire staff.
4) I've seen some of the other hires out there, and nothing has been earth shattering so it's not like we're missing out on all these other great hires. I put a list together a few weeks ago which had a bunch of names 95% of the pepole on this board know nothing about. Hopkins is pretty close in that list of what you get when you're team is middle to sunk in the conference for a decade.
5) I am warming up to the hire after the last week based on a few things.
a) He's a very tall white man who can be fired without fear of prejudice if he sucks.
b) He enjoys defense, which will be something new for this school even if I prefer more m2m, any defense would be better than what we've had
c) They have recruited quite a few players and coached up players to make deep runs in tourneys
d) And really, b/c we have no fucking choice but let the man do his job for a year and see how he starts to build a roster,
He honestly can't be worse than romar.
6) i did read a couple threads and a few of you are fucking retarded. "Paying a guy to learn how to coach". UW hasn't made a NCAA in 6 years, our roster resembles a WAC team sans the #1 pick in the draft, and the current coach that you all are annointing for sainthood would still fall well under the "paying a guy to learn how to coach" tag. Christ, doogs used it about how youth were leaving for nba draft just the last 3 years even though it's been happening for 15 years. Hopkins has been in the game, and run a the actual cuse program for years. Jimmy is just the figurehead. If he fails here, it will be based on bringing in talent, not about whether he has the experience to do it. The guy knows how to coach and recruit, but it takes a special person to make it happen at certain schools. We will see if he has the angle to get kids to UW. Will he make the right assistant hires to help on the west coast?
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Somewhat disagree on point 6. Boeheim wouldn't have had the success he has had or been a team USA coach if he was just a figurehead.FreeChavez said:Yeah yeah, been off the boards for a bit and instead of going through 45 threads(likely covering 5 total topics) I'll just cover the topics here.
1) MPJ leaving means literally nothing to UW. Anyone who believes that Romar staying next year, with MPJ on the roster all of a sudden brings in a Final 4 run hasn't watched Romar coach defense/offense/ or team chemistry the last 6 years.
1a) MPJ means that Hopkins can now start building a roster with guys he wants, offering early PT to big time prospects. Yes this sounds a bit CP kooolaid, but who on UW's current roster would you be heartbroken if they left? My two would be thybulle and johnson. But i'm sure others have at least 1 or 2 others. The rest of the roster needs to leave, or wake up to a new sherrif in town(most please leave). I won't be shocked to see kids transfers in the spring after they see Hopkins is going to be a hard ass that expects actual preparation and work.
2) Dickerson left. He was the winner in the cripple fight of UW roster. Sure, wouldn't hurt if he wanted to stay and buy in, but in reality I'd rather see Hopkins put his own stamp on this roster with his guys. Dickerson isn't exciting and had bought into the romar bullshit that D1 should be about shoot arounds and slappin high fives.
3) I will give Hopkins credit for his rep in recruiting until he doesn't prove it. I actually like what he did with MPJ. His dad was not coming on his staff, and MPJ was not going to go to UW. So he didn't waste time at all. I personally think that's smart. There is no reason to worry about him pulling in talent that can actually be a team, and make moves. He came out of left field, but I sure as hell like his background and his ability to keep conroy on staff. That may open the door to keeping some seattle guys home. I still want to see how he builds out the entire staff.
4) I've seen some of the other hires out there, and nothing has been earth shattering so it's not like we're missing out on all these other great hires. I put a list together a few weeks ago which had a bunch of names 95% of the pepole on this board know nothing about. Hopkins is pretty close in that list of what you get when you're team is middle to sunk in the conference for a decade.
5) I am warming up to the hire after the last week based on a few things.
a) He's a very tall white man who can be fired without fear of prejudice if he sucks.
b) He enjoys defense, which will be something new for this school even if I prefer more m2m, any defense would be better than what we've had
c) They have recruited quite a few players and coached up players to make deep runs in tourneys
d) And really, b/c we have no fucking choice but let the man do his job for a year and see how he starts to build a roster,
He honestly can't be worse than romar.
6) i did read a couple threads and a few of you are fucking retarded. "Paying a guy to learn how to coach". UW hasn't made a NCAA in 6 years, our roster resembles a WAC team sans the #1 pick in the draft, and the current coach that you all are annointing for sainthood would still fall well under the "paying a guy to learn how to coach" tag. Christ, doogs used it about how youth were leaving for nba draft just the last 3 years even though it's been happening for 15 years. Hopkins has been in the game, and run a the actual cuse program for years. Jimmy is just the figurehead. If he fails here, it will be based on bringing in talent, not about whether he has the experience to do it. The guy knows how to coach and recruit, but it takes a special person to make it happen at certain schools. We will see if he has the angle to get kids to UW. Will he make the right assistant hires to help on the west coast?
Hopkins did a lot of the recruiting and day to day work, but Boeheim is the coach making decisions on strategy and calling the plays.
I think it's likely Hop will recruit well. He is supposedly really good at it and he has cred from some great coaches and players from working with Team USA.
Whether he can coach is anyone's guess. I like the hire and think Hop has a high ceiling and the floor is some level of mediocrity. -
disagreeFreeChavez said:Yeah yeah, been off the boards for a bit and instead of going through 45 threads(likely covering 5 total topics) I'll just cover the topics here.
1) MPJ leaving means literally nothing to UW. Anyone who believes that Romar staying next year, with MPJ on the roster all of a sudden brings in a Final 4 run hasn't watched Romar coach defense/offense/ or team chemistry the last 6 years.
1a) MPJ means that Hopkins can now start building a roster with guys he wants, offering early PT to big time prospects. Yes this sounds a bit CP kooolaid, but who on UW's current roster would you be heartbroken if they left? My two would be thybulle and johnson. But i'm sure others have at least 1 or 2 others. The rest of the roster needs to leave, or wake up to a new sherrif in town(most please leave). I won't be shocked to see kids transfers in the spring after they see Hopkins is going to be a hard ass that expects actual preparation and work.
2) Dickerson left. He was the winner in the cripple fight of UW roster. Sure, wouldn't hurt if he wanted to stay and buy in, but in reality I'd rather see Hopkins put his own stamp on this roster with his guys. Dickerson isn't exciting and had bought into the romar bullshit that D1 should be about shoot arounds and slappin high fives.
3) I will give Hopkins credit for his rep in recruiting until he doesn't prove it. I actually like what he did with MPJ. His dad was not coming on his staff, and MPJ was not going to go to UW. So he didn't waste time at all. I personally think that's smart. There is no reason to worry about him pulling in talent that can actually be a team, and make moves. He came out of left field, but I sure as hell like his background and his ability to keep conroy on staff. That may open the door to keeping some seattle guys home. I still want to see how he builds out the entire staff.
4) I've seen some of the other hires out there, and nothing has been earth shattering so it's not like we're missing out on all these other great hires. I put a list together a few weeks ago which had a bunch of names 95% of the pepole on this board know nothing about. Hopkins is pretty close in that list of what you get when you're team is middle to sunk in the conference for a decade.
5) I am warming up to the hire after the last week based on a few things.
a) He's a very tall white man who can be fired without fear of prejudice if he sucks.
b) He enjoys defense, which will be something new for this school even if I prefer more m2m, any defense would be better than what we've had
c) They have recruited quite a few players and coached up players to make deep runs in tourneys
d) And really, b/c we have no fucking choice but let the man do his job for a year and see how he starts to build a roster,
He honestly can't be worse than romar.
6) i did read a couple threads and a few of you are fucking retarded. "Paying a guy to learn how to coach". UW hasn't made a NCAA in 6 years, our roster resembles a WAC team sans the #1 pick in the draft, and the current coach that you all are annointing for sainthood would still fall well under the "paying a guy to learn how to coach" tag. Christ, doogs used it about how youth were leaving for nba draft just the last 3 years even though it's been happening for 15 years. Hopkins has been in the game, and run a the actual cuse program for years. Jimmy is just the figurehead. If he fails here, it will be based on bringing in talent, not about whether he has the experience to do it. The guy knows how to coach and recruit, but it takes a special person to make it happen at certain schools. We will see if he has the angle to get kids to UW. Will he make the right assistant hires to help on the west coast? -
Coaching ability and running a program are different. And yes we are paying him millions like we paid Sark to learn on the Job. That part on his application were it reads
1) have you ever been a head coach?
A )No
B )Yes
C )Janet Reno
Sark can obviously coach, but he can't run a program. If he couldn't coach he wouldn't still be landing high profile jobs.
What was Hops record at Syracuse as head man? 4-5, not great. Tui is 1-0.
And I love how Doogs like to not discuss that he was passed over for Wayne Tinkle, most likely because Tinkle had put his time in learning how to run a program at Montana. I'm in LIPO mode. I think it's Doogism at best to crown this hire as great and he hasn't win a single game.
I love all the enthusiasm, but fuck, let's chill on the he will be great until he is.
I agree anything was better than Ro'MAR, and fuck MJP he wasn't doing anything at UW but showcase himself as a one and done. -
It's retarded to think if Coach Boeheim retired and Gregg Marshall was available that even Syracuse would hire Hop.
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Uhh, no one's claiming that.NeGgaPlEaSe said:It's retarded to think if Coach Boeheim retired and Gregg Marshall was available that even Syracuse would hire Hop.
Syracuse can't afford Gregg Marshall.
Neither can Washington.
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Tinkle had a four star recruit in his back pocket and Stevie Thompson's kid waiting to sign on the line too (that likely would have stuck with Hopkins given the Syracuse connection). Hopkins' only sin there was he didn't have a star player living in his house.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Coaching ability and running a program are different. And yes we are paying him millions like we paid Sark to learn on the Job. That part on his application were it reads
1) have you ever been a head coach?
A )No
B )Yes
C )Janet Reno
Sark can obviously coach, but he can't run a program. If he couldn't coach he wouldn't still be landing high profile jobs.
What was Hops record at Syracuse as head man? 4-5, not great. Tui is 1-0.
And I love how Doogs like to not discuss that he was passed over for Wayne Tinkle, most likely because Tinkle had put his time in learning how to run a program at Montana. I'm in LIPO mode. I think it's Doogism at best to crown this hire as great and he hasn't win a single game.
I love all the enthusiasm, but fuck, let's chill on the he will be great until he is.
I agree anything was better than Ro'MAR, and fuck MJP he wasn't doing anything at UW but showcase himself as a one and done.
This worked out better in the long run. -
Do you know anything about Syracuse and their budget constraints? That's a pretty bold statement to make.dnc said:
Uhh, no one's claiming that.NeGgaPlEaSe said:It's retarded to think if Coach Boeheim retired and Gregg Marshall was available that even Syracuse would hire Hop.
Syracuse can't afford Gregg Marshall.
Neither can Washington.
Complete strawman. -
I know based on reading the Cuse bored when we hired Hop that their fans don't expect to spend like a marquee program for their next coach because they don't have the budget of a marquee program. $3 million per year sounded like the very high end they expected to spend.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you know anything about Syracuse and their budget constraints? That's a pretty bold statement to make.dnc said:
Uhh, no one's claiming that.NeGgaPlEaSe said:It's retarded to think if Coach Boeheim retired and Gregg Marshall was available that even Syracuse would hire Hop.
Syracuse can't afford Gregg Marshall.
Neither can Washington.
Complete strawman.
I suppose i could be wrong but I wasn't wrong about UW not being able to afford him. I doubt I'm wrong this time either.
He's going to end up at one of the 6 blue bloods or someone who is next tier (Arizona, UConn, Florida, Michigan State if Izzo retired soon?) and is willing to break the bank. It appears Cuse is not that program. -
A lot of football programs aren't paying 4 million for a football coach. The thought that more than about 5 schools are going to pony up for Marshall is spadofs. I don't see Marshall leaving unless he grows tired of the NCAA selection process and takes less to coach at a bigger school.dnc said:
I know based on reading the Cuse bored when we hired Hop that their fans don't expect to spend like a marquee program for their next coach because they don't have the budget of a marquee program. $3 million per year sounded like the very high end they expected to spend.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you know anything about Syracuse and their budget constraints? That's a pretty bold statement to make.dnc said:
Uhh, no one's claiming that.NeGgaPlEaSe said:It's retarded to think if Coach Boeheim retired and Gregg Marshall was available that even Syracuse would hire Hop.
Syracuse can't afford Gregg Marshall.
Neither can Washington.
Complete strawman.
I suppose i could be wrong but I wasn't wrong about UW not being able to afford him. I doubt I'm wrong this time either.
He's going to end up at one of the 6 blue bloods or someone who is next tier (Arizona, UConn, Florida, Michigan State if Izzo retired soon?) and is willing to break the bank. It appears Cuse is not that program.
He seems like a wet dream for a lot of programs but few will ever pony up equitable cash without him taking a cut
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#isupportcoachromarThomasFremont said:
disagreeFreeChavez said:Yeah yeah, been off the boards for a bit and instead of going through 45 threads(likely covering 5 total topics) I'll just cover the topics here.
1) MPJ leaving means literally nothing to UW. Anyone who believes that Romar staying next year, with MPJ on the roster all of a sudden brings in a Final 4 run hasn't watched Romar coach defense/offense/ or team chemistry the last 6 years.
1a) MPJ means that Hopkins can now start building a roster with guys he wants, offering early PT to big time prospects. Yes this sounds a bit CP kooolaid, but who on UW's current roster would you be heartbroken if they left? My two would be thybulle and johnson. But i'm sure others have at least 1 or 2 others. The rest of the roster needs to leave, or wake up to a new sherrif in town(most please leave). I won't be shocked to see kids transfers in the spring after they see Hopkins is going to be a hard ass that expects actual preparation and work.
2) Dickerson left. He was the winner in the cripple fight of UW roster. Sure, wouldn't hurt if he wanted to stay and buy in, but in reality I'd rather see Hopkins put his own stamp on this roster with his guys. Dickerson isn't exciting and had bought into the romar bullshit that D1 should be about shoot arounds and slappin high fives.
3) I will give Hopkins credit for his rep in recruiting until he doesn't prove it. I actually like what he did with MPJ. His dad was not coming on his staff, and MPJ was not going to go to UW. So he didn't waste time at all. I personally think that's smart. There is no reason to worry about him pulling in talent that can actually be a team, and make moves. He came out of left field, but I sure as hell like his background and his ability to keep conroy on staff. That may open the door to keeping some seattle guys home. I still want to see how he builds out the entire staff.
4) I've seen some of the other hires out there, and nothing has been earth shattering so it's not like we're missing out on all these other great hires. I put a list together a few weeks ago which had a bunch of names 95% of the pepole on this board know nothing about. Hopkins is pretty close in that list of what you get when you're team is middle to sunk in the conference for a decade.
5) I am warming up to the hire after the last week based on a few things.
a) He's a very tall white man who can be fired without fear of prejudice if he sucks.
b) He enjoys defense, which will be something new for this school even if I prefer more m2m, any defense would be better than what we've had
c) They have recruited quite a few players and coached up players to make deep runs in tourneys
d) And really, b/c we have no fucking choice but let the man do his job for a year and see how he starts to build a roster,
He honestly can't be worse than romar.
6) i did read a couple threads and a few of you are fucking retarded. "Paying a guy to learn how to coach". UW hasn't made a NCAA in 6 years, our roster resembles a WAC team sans the #1 pick in the draft, and the current coach that you all are annointing for sainthood would still fall well under the "paying a guy to learn how to coach" tag. Christ, doogs used it about how youth were leaving for nba draft just the last 3 years even though it's been happening for 15 years. Hopkins has been in the game, and run a the actual cuse program for years. Jimmy is just the figurehead. If he fails here, it will be based on bringing in talent, not about whether he has the experience to do it. The guy knows how to coach and recruit, but it takes a special person to make it happen at certain schools. We will see if he has the angle to get kids to UW. Will he make the right assistant hires to help on the west coast?
