What makes Romar a "good man"

Honest question and not meant to be flippant. If we assume most people are (HH notwithstanding) naturally decent or at least of a neutral disposition, what sets Romar apart from, say, Wayne Tinkle at OSU or any other random personal-life-not-in-the-news Joe Schmoe coach? That he has not raped people or been charged with a DUI should be a baseline expectation, not a point of praise. Many qualify their criticism of Romar by saying how great of a man he is. Why?

He has also had a known pimp on his team and reinstated said player + had an active cocaine dealer as a major player. Personally I am a fan of pimps and dealers on a team (assuming we win), but these are never brought up by his militant cultists.

What makes Romar a good man?

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MelloDawg

Honest question and not meant to be flippant. If we assume most people are (HH notwithstanding) naturally decent or at least of a neutral disposition, what sets Romar apart from, say, Wayne Tinkle at OSU or any other random personal-life-not-in-the-news Joe Schmoe coach? That he has not raped people or been charged with a DUI should be a baseline expectation, not a point of praise. Many qualify their criticism of Romar by saying how great of a man he is. Why?

He has also had a known pimp on his team and reinstated said player + had an active cocaine dealer as a major player. Personally I am a fan of pimps and dealers on a team (assuming we win), but these are never brought up by his militant cultists.

What makes Romar a good man?

Openly Christian and people are afraid to criticize him because of white guilt

whlinder

cause everyone says so

PurpleThrobber

He's articulate.

dnc

Because he goes out of his way to be relational (and not just in ways that bring free pub like Sark). He actively engages the DawgPack, goes out of his way to be good to the little guy kinda stuff.

People who used to play with him/coach with him/ grew up with him are hugely protective of him/ try to send their kids to play with him even though he's a shit coach.

I dont have a problem with the "he's a good guy" claims. The evidence seems to suggest he is. I do have a problem with that factoring into the decision of when to cut ties with him.

bananasnblondes

He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.

PurpleThrobber

He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.

Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.

And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too.

rodmansrage

cause he never took a university airplane to mexico to bang a booster's daughter.

allegedly.

ole ernesto, ole!

dnc

He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.

And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too.

Ernesto was actually pretty loudly religious when he first started at Oregon, not sure if he's toned that down after the Ole incident or not.

UWhuskytskeet

Because he goes out of his way to be relational (and not just in ways that bring free pub like Sark). He actively engages the DawgPack, goes out of his way to be good to the little guy kinda stuff.

People who used to play with him/coach with him/ grew up with him are hugely protective of him/ try to send their kids to play with him even though he's a shit coach.

I dont have a problem with the "he's a good guy" claims. The evidence seems to suggest he is. I do have a problem with that factoring into the decision of when to cut ties with him.

He'd come out and talk to everyone waiting in line before we could get into HecEd. Would regularly bring us donuts and things to eat. He was easy to talk to, and probably is a nice guy. But he sucks at coaching now so fire his ass.

DerekJohnson

He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.

And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too.

Romar makes Ernie Kent look like John Wooden

dnc

He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.

And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too.
Romar makes Ernie Kent look like John Wooden

Disagree.

I'm hearing @romariswooden

Fecal_Matter

We'll, because he is. I've run into him (figuratively, not literally), and he was personable, nice, and engaging. He's a great human being. That said, fire him.

I met Sark before and he hardly gave me the time of day, probably because I didn't have tits, a bottle of tequila, or I wasn't down on my knees ala Kent Griswold.

RoadDawg55

It's just strange that being a good guy even matters.

UW basketball is historically a shit program. Before this year, Romar had winning records and for a program that doesn't have standards, that's good enough.

No reason that UW can't be good, but it's a shit program. I doubt anybody in CBB talks about UW. Coaches from the East Coast probably don't even talk shit about what a bad coach Romar is because they don't care.

I don't hold Overton or Upshaw against Romar at all though. Trying to better someone's life and caring about them isn't a bad thing, especially with Upshaw.

Overton's situation is/was gross but I do believe Romar was trying to do the right thing and help a kid he cared about. He should have been booted but it doesn't make Romar a bad guy.

PurpleThrobber

UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.

History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.

Tequilla

UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.

History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.

The idea that Washington is a shit program in men's hoops historically just isn't supported by the facts ... it takes less than 5 minutes to look the shit up and realize that it's not a terrible program.

UW coaches since 1921:

Hec Edmundson

UW Overall Record: 488-195
Conference Record: 258-130
Conference Championships: 12

Art McLarney

UW Overall Record: 53-36
Conference Record: 24-24
Conference Championships: 1

Tippy Dye

UW Overall Record: 156-91
Conference Record: 94-50
Conference Championships: 3

John Grayson

UW Overall Record: 57-49
Conference Record: 19-28
Conference Championships: 0

Mac Duckworth

UW Overall Record: 53-74
Conference Record: 24-47
Conference Championships: 0

Tex Winter

UW Overall Record: 45-35
Conference Record: 19-23
Conference Championships: 0

Marv Harshman

UW Overall Record: 246-146
Conference Record: 122-102
Conference Championships: 2

Andy Russo

UW Overall Record: 61-62
Conference Record: 36-36
Conference Championships: 0

Lynn Nance

UW Overall Record: 50-62
Conference Record: 22-50
Conference Championships: 0

Bob Bender

UW Overall Record: 116-142
Conference Record: 63-99
Conference Championships: 0

Lorenzo Romar (through 2016 season)

UW Overall Record: 281-159
Conference Record: 138-100
Conference Championships: 2 (Regular Season), 3 (Conference Tournament)

What we know about UW program:

1) There's plenty of talent in the greater Seattle area to serve as a foundation for a program provided the coach can keep the balance of the talent home ...

2) When we've had a good coach in place, the program as a whole has had reasonable success ... over an almost 100 year period we've won our conference 20 times ... from from terrible.

3) If you look through the history of the program, what stands out is that we're historically very bad when it comes to hiring coaches. It's very likely Romar will never have another HC job unless he goes to Missouri ... where he'll fall on his face there. Bender has never held a head coaching job after leaving Washington. Nance was never a HC again and Russo was a head coach only at lower levels. Harshman retired ... Tex Winter was hired to be HC of the Houston Rockets and had a lengthy and very successful coaching career. In the grand scheme of things, since the time that Tippy Dye left to become an AD, UW has made only 3 decent to good hires ... Winter, Harshman, and Romar ... Bender arguable.

UW as a whole isn't that complicated ... when we make good hires (regardless of the sport), we have the horsepower to compete at a high level. When we make uninspired hire, we suck.

RoadDawg55

UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.

History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.
The idea that Washington is a shit program in men's hoops historically just isn't supported by the facts ... it takes less than 5 minutes to look the shit up and realize that it's not a terrible program.

UW coaches since 1921:

Hec Edmundson

UW Overall Record: 488-195
Conference Record: 258-130
Conference Championships: 12

Art McLarney

UW Overall Record: 53-36
Conference Record: 24-24
Conference Championships: 1

Tippy Dye

UW Overall Record: 156-91
Conference Record: 94-50
Conference Championships: 3

John Grayson

UW Overall Record: 57-49
Conference Record: 19-28
Conference Championships: 0

Mac Duckworth

UW Overall Record: 53-74
Conference Record: 24-47
Conference Championships: 0

Tex Winter

UW Overall Record: 45-35
Conference Record: 19-23
Conference Championships: 0

Marv Harshman

UW Overall Record: 246-146
Conference Record: 122-102
Conference Championships: 2

Andy Russo

UW Overall Record: 61-62
Conference Record: 36-36
Conference Championships: 0

Lynn Nance

UW Overall Record: 50-62
Conference Record: 22-50
Conference Championships: 0

Bob Bender

UW Overall Record: 116-142
Conference Record: 63-99
Conference Championships: 0

Lorenzo Romar (through 2016 season)

UW Overall Record: 281-159
Conference Record: 138-100
Conference Championships: 2 (Regular Season), 3 (Conference Tournament)

What we know about UW program:

1) There's plenty of talent in the greater Seattle area to serve as a foundation for a program provided the coach can keep the balance of the talent home ...

2) When we've had a good coach in place, the program as a whole has had reasonable success ... over an almost 100 year period we've won our conference 20 times ... from from terrible.

3) If you look through the history of the program, what stands out is that we're historically very bad when it comes to hiring coaches. It's very likely Romar will never have another HC job unless he goes to Missouri ... where he'll fall on his face there. Bender has never held a head coaching job after leaving Washington. Nance was never a HC again and Russo was a head coach only at lower levels. Harshman retired ... Tex Winter was hired to be HC of the Houston Rockets and had a lengthy and very successful coaching career. In the grand scheme of things, since the time that Tippy Dye left to become an AD, UW has made only 3 decent to good hires ... Winter, Harshman, and Romar ... Bender arguable.

UW as a whole isn't that complicated ... when we make good hires (regardless of the sport), we have the horsepower to compete at a high level. When we make uninspired hire, we suck.

The three coaches before Romar had losing records. You're seriously counting Hec Edmunson's 12 titles? Jesus dude.

Of course a good coach could win at UW. It's still a shit program until proven otherwise. No one on this board has seen UW make it past the Sweet 16 once.

JaWarrenJaHooker

UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.

History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.
The idea that Washington is a shit program in men's hoops historically just isn't supported by the facts ... it takes less than 5 minutes to look the shit up and realize that it's not a terrible program.

UW coaches since 1921:

Hec Edmundson

UW Overall Record: 488-195
Conference Record: 258-130
Conference Championships: 12

Art McLarney

UW Overall Record: 53-36
Conference Record: 24-24
Conference Championships: 1

Tippy Dye

UW Overall Record: 156-91
Conference Record: 94-50
Conference Championships: 3

John Grayson

UW Overall Record: 57-49
Conference Record: 19-28
Conference Championships: 0

Mac Duckworth

UW Overall Record: 53-74
Conference Record: 24-47
Conference Championships: 0

Tex Winter

UW Overall Record: 45-35
Conference Record: 19-23
Conference Championships: 0

Marv Harshman

UW Overall Record: 246-146
Conference Record: 122-102
Conference Championships: 2

Andy Russo

UW Overall Record: 61-62
Conference Record: 36-36
Conference Championships: 0

Lynn Nance

UW Overall Record: 50-62
Conference Record: 22-50
Conference Championships: 0

Bob Bender

UW Overall Record: 116-142
Conference Record: 63-99
Conference Championships: 0

Lorenzo Romar (through 2016 season)

UW Overall Record: 281-159
Conference Record: 138-100
Conference Championships: 2 (Regular Season), 3 (Conference Tournament)

What we know about UW program:

1) There's plenty of talent in the greater Seattle area to serve as a foundation for a program provided the coach can keep the balance of the talent home ...

2) When we've had a good coach in place, the program as a whole has had reasonable success ... over an almost 100 year period we've won our conference 20 times ... from from terrible.

3) If you look through the history of the program, what stands out is that we're historically very bad when it comes to hiring coaches. It's very likely Romar will never have another HC job unless he goes to Missouri ... where he'll fall on his face there. Bender has never held a head coaching job after leaving Washington. Nance was never a HC again and Russo was a head coach only at lower levels. Harshman retired ... Tex Winter was hired to be HC of the Houston Rockets and had a lengthy and very successful coaching career. In the grand scheme of things, since the time that Tippy Dye left to become an AD, UW has made only 3 decent to good hires ... Winter, Harshman, and Romar ... Bender arguable.

UW as a whole isn't that complicated ... when we make good hires (regardless of the sport), we have the horsepower to compete at a high level. When we make uninspired hire, we suck.
The three coaches before Romar had losing records. You're seriously counting Hec Edmunson's 12 titles? Jesus dude.

Of course a good coach could win at UW. It's still a shit program until proven otherwise. No one on this board has seen UW make it past the Sweet 16 once.

1953 Final Four. Race was there.

tenndawg

You're seriously counting Hec Edmunson's 12 titles? Jesus dude.

How dare you in any way diminish the greatness that is Clarence Sinclair Edmunson...

FreeChavez

The way people talk about romar he should be the President of a homeless mens shelter. "He hands out donuts and pizza", "He's always there to shake our hands", "He goes out of his way to talk to you on a personal level", "He's a good christian(#hesnotmychristian)", "He gives pimps and dealers second chances in life".

I would wager I haven't seen a game in half a decade where the announcers offered up information about something good Romar does on the basketball court.(*recruiting is not on the basketball court). It's always a stumble to defend him because he's so nice. It's almost like he's a retard and people feel the need to over compliment him so that you're not a douche for ripping the retard.

DugtheDoog

I'm sick of the we've never been that great so we shouldn't expect much crowd. In my lifetime the program has generally underachieved but there is no reason with our resources, university, location and recruiting base that we shouldn't at least be in the top half of the conference every year. Hell, Colorado had only made the NCAAs 5 fucking times before Tad Boyle got there. And they've made it 4 out of his 6 years there.

It's all about the coach (no shit?). So who cares if we don't have Kentucky's history? If Wichita State can attract a top-tier coach who wants to be there, I'm pretty sure UW can also do so.