It's unfair to let Jake Browning's late season production define him (subscription)

DerekJohnson

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dhdawg

Washington Huskies quarterback Jake Browning had a solid but unremarkable freshman campaign in 2015, ranking ninth in the Pac-12 in Total QBR (60.8).

Unremarkable is certainly not a word to describe Browning's sophomore season, as he tied the Pac-12 single-season record for most passing touchdowns (43) and finished sixth in the Heisman Trophy voting.

The improvement is impressive, but should his 2016 numbers be considered par for the course from here on out? Or is Browning's true talent level somewhere in between his freshman and sophomore production levels?

Let's take a deep dive to find out.

(Note: Unless otherwise specified, all of the metrics and associated rankings detailed below are from players and teams in Power 5 conferences.)

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oregonblitzkrieg

I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.

Kaepsknee

oregonblitzkrieg said:

I'm hearing he shit his britches against USC, Colorado and Bama.

DugtheDoog

salemcoog said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

I'm hearing he shit his britches against USC, Colorado and Bama.

He's just lucky he didn't have to face a bowl team with a dominating defense such as Minneysota

TierbsHsotBoobs

DerekJohnson said:

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It's just not fair to judge Jake Brownsocks against quality opponents.

Passion

oregonblitzkrieg said:

I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.

Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.

FireCohen

Passion said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.

Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.

HAHAHAHA

CheersWestDawg

Passion said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.

Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.

Maybe he likes to bring heat from the edge and push up the middle as much as you.

dnc

Passion said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.

Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.

Such misogyny!

#ImWithHer
#WomensMarch

Dennis_DeYoung

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

FireCohen

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

I hope he improves his strength which hopefully fixes his hitch/timing.

CuntWaffle

The two most entertaining threads on these boreds

1. Jake Browning threads

2. Offensive line recruiting threads

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DugtheDoog

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

Agreed. Lock him in the weight room, get his arm stronger. If only Ivan was here to get a hold of him...

jecornel

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Gladstone

Stanford was a massively huge game at the time and Jake was absolutely spectacular.

Kaepsknee

jecornel said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.

CuntWaffle

Arm strength can improve. He won't turn into Colin Kaepernick all of a sudden but it is possible.

PurpleJ

Bunch of football arm scientists in here.

Newsflash!! REAL football is played with feet!!! You play armball!

EwaDawg

salemcoog said:

jecornel said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.

Just a fucking whiney excuse for all the fucking weenie CUOG qbs.

They ALL end up like Falk - hurt and refusing to play in the meaningful games.

Dennis_DeYoung

jecornel said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Muscle strength (and more importantly a particular kind of balance between strength in muscles used in the throwing motion) has a marginal effect on throwing velocity, but the main determinant is specific types of flexibility in ligaments; and that flexibility is unaffected by training.

While there is evidence for this, it also stands to reason - if everyone could just weight-lift their way to a stronger arm, then every fucking pitcher would be throwing 100mph and every QB would have an arm like Joe Flacco.