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It's unfair to let Jake Browning's late season production define him (subscription)

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  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Washington Huskies quarterback Jake Browning had a solid but unremarkable freshman campaign in 2015, ranking ninth in the Pac-12 in Total QBR (60.8).

    Unremarkable is certainly not a word to describe Browning's sophomore season, as he tied the Pac-12 single-season record for most passing touchdowns (43) and finished sixth in the Heisman Trophy voting.

    The improvement is impressive, but should his 2016 numbers be considered par for the course from here on out? Or is Browning's true talent level somewhere in between his freshman and sophomore production levels?

    Let's take a deep dive to find out.

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  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Passion said:

    I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.

    Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.
    HAHAHAHA
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

    1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
    2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

    We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

    Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

    His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

    So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

    I hope he improves his strength which hopefully fixes his hitch/timing.
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    edited February 2017

    Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

    1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
    2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

    We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

    Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

    His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

    So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

    You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

    improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

    Nice troll job. You got me.

    Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

    Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,892
    jecornel said:

    Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

    1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
    2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

    We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

    Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

    His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

    So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

    You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

    improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

    Nice troll job. You got me.

    Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

    Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
    Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    Arm strength can improve. He won't turn into Colin Kaepernick all of a sudden but it is possible.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,557 Founders Club
    Bunch of football arm scientists in here.

    Newsflash!! REAL football is played with feet!!! You play armball!
  • EwaDawgEwaDawg Member Posts: 4,300
    salemcoog said:

    jecornel said:

    Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

    1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
    2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

    We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

    Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

    His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

    So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

    You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

    improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

    Nice troll job. You got me.

    Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

    Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
    Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.
    Just a fucking whiney excuse for all the fucking weenie CUOG qbs.

    They ALL end up like Falk - hurt and refusing to play in the meaningful games.



  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    edited February 2017
    jecornel said:

    Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

    1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
    2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

    We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

    Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

    His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

    So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

    You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

    improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

    Nice troll job. You got me.

    Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

    Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
    Muscle strength (and more importantly a particular kind of balance between strength in muscles used in the throwing motion) has a marginal effect on throwing velocity, but the main determinant is specific types of flexibility in ligaments; and that flexibility is unaffected by training.

    While there is evidence for this, it also stands to reason - if everyone could just weight-lift their way to a stronger arm, then every fucking pitcher would be throwing 100mph and every QB would have an arm like Joe Flacco.
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