Texas sucks. That's what happens when SEC takes over your state and starts recruiting your talent. That's what happens when you're too scared to play with the big boys. You end up a shadow of yourself in a shitty conference while A&M prospers.
Texas sucks. That's what happens when SEC takes over your state and starts recruiting your talent. That's what happens when you're too scared to play with the big boys. You end up a shadow of yourself in a shitty conference while A&M prospers.
This is what happens when you keep Mack Brown five years too long then hire Roided Ty
Football as a whole has gotten worse over the last decade across all conferences. More talented, prepared skill players and individuals, but teams and over all play have gotten shittier.
I agree. Raise the scholarship limits back up. Parity and North Dakota State beating people doesn't do anything for the game. Nobody gives a shit about NDS and they aren't going to learn either.
Texas sucks. That's what happens when SEC takes over your state and starts recruiting your talent. That's what happens when you're too scared to play with the big boys. You end up a shadow of yourself in a shitty conference while A&M prospers.
The SEC has raped the whole XII just by taking A&M.
Texas and Oklahoma should have gone west.
Agree. The PAC finally wouldn't be a shit show. Texas. OU. USC. Washington before they gave up football. Stanford in the last 10 years, Oregon the last 20. That's a conference that people in the rest of the cuntry would give a shit about. Even Oklahomo State is good sometimes (maybe like an ASU level school?). Whatever. The details don't matter. You basically need to merge the best of the Pac 12 and Big 12 to make a conference that is even arguably on par with B1G and SEC. My .02
Thank Larry Scott FS for finishing the last attempt at adding Big12 teams by getting only Colorado. Colo-fucking-rado? Christ.
Look back at what Texas wanted then vs what Texas is now. It was best not to let them in. If they want to come in as a 1/n equal then by all means they are welcome to join now.
Doesn't excuse adding Colorado and Utah as consolation prizes.
But we got the Denver and Salt Lake City TV markets for the new and exciting Pac-12 Network TV deal that is in DOZENS of homes across America!!1!
I actually pay for that dreck. I hate money. And myself.
REAL TALK: just add Texas, OU, OSU, and Houston and be done with it.
The rest of the BigXII dreck can fuck off. I guess Kansas would be an acceptable alternate for Houston.
What will actually happen: BigXII tells Larry Scott to go fuck his tennis racket, so he adds Colorado St, Utah St, and then New Mexico and New Mexico St or UNLV and Nevada. Larry Scott sells this as "filling out the intra-state conference rivalries and adding a new state to the Pac-16 family" that nobody cares about.
I'm going @Tequilla and I have no idea why. My best guesses (and this is based on a 50-60 year history, but mostly my opinion) as to what these conferences would look like to the media/fans. For illustrative purposes only not to argue over is LSU actually top tier and bullshit Penn State sucks now shit. Just fuck off and take it as an approximate view of the major players.
SEC - Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia BiG - Penn State, Michigan State PAC16 - Washington, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford
Anyway, that conference would actually compare favorably to the other two. I think the Pac is still viewed as the USC and dwarves, so getting some more top end cache would be very helpful. We have a decent B team of has beens like Washington, and new money like Oregon and Stanford to compare pretty well in the second tier already, but the top is where we just suck.
Whatever. I must be fucking bored.
Georgia x 2??
If you look at that list from an historical perspective, all of your tier one teams have won multiple national championships, that's a fitting criteria IMO. In your second tier, all of the SEC and B1G teams have won at least one National Championship, but only three of the PAC teams have, and one of those is squarely in #ProveIt mode. Not saying that currently the "respect" wouldn't be there, so don't twist, but objectively the PAC would still suck when you compare it to the B1G and the SEC.
Edit: that said, I agree that the conference would have a lot more gravitas with those schools added.
Georgia must be easy to forget. I didn't even remember typing them three words later. I never proofread anything because reading is hard.
You are correct on two fronts with the PAC second tier...Oregon AND Stanford are both arguable in many respects, but Oregon has won a couple big bowls, has a national brand, and has played for two NC's. Stanford was sort of a reach but if you watch ESPN the last 5 years if it wasn't Oregon talk, it was Tree. They have respect from the media, fans, bleh. If we are splitting hairs I would argue that the B1G has the least conference depth...I mean they have some heavyweights (tOSU, Mich, Nebraska), but beyond that it is pretty much Pedo U and Sparty (sometimes). The rest is fucking PAC12 level dreck. They do have Minnesota, with several NC, but that was all so long ago I didn't bother counting them. Sort of like Cal and their 3 NC's when @RaceBannon was just a boy.
Texas and OU would do so much for gravitas. Our second tier is at least in the convo with the others (though I grant you SEC is clearly superior), and our top tier could stand with any of them. But Larry will fuck it all up and we will have UNLV and San Jose State or some shit.
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You are correct on two fronts with the PAC second tier...Oregon AND Stanford are both arguable in many respects, but Oregon has won a couple big bowls, has a national brand, and has played for two NC's. Stanford was sort of a reach but if you watch ESPN the last 5 years if it wasn't Oregon talk, it was Tree. They have respect from the media, fans, bleh. If we are splitting hairs I would argue that the B1G has the least conference depth...I mean they have some heavyweights (tOSU, Mich, Nebraska), but beyond that it is pretty much Pedo U and Sparty (sometimes). The rest is fucking PAC12 level dreck. They do have Minnesota, with several NC, but that was all so long ago I didn't bother counting them. Sort of like Cal and their 3 NC's when @RaceBannon was just a boy.
Texas and OU would do so much for gravitas. Our second tier is at least in the convo with the others (though I grant you SEC is clearly superior), and our top tier could stand with any of them. But Larry will fuck it all up and we will have UNLV and San Jose State or some shit.