It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
Wait, aren't you the same person that posted that Hillary killed a dude in Iran?
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
What did I say that was a lie?
I included your quote and you are still too dumb to figure it out. Go figure...
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
What did I say that was a lie?
I included your quote and you are still too dumb to figure it out. Go figure...
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
What did I say that was a lie?
I included your quote and you are still too dumb to figure it out. Go figure...
That's a great argument.
Should I just use pictures for you next time? Crayons maybe?
OBAMA HATES AMERICA IS MAKING US WEAK AND COMMITTING TREASON!!!
Just sing come sail away and everything will be all right.
I am with you! Don't let these assholes get away with it. Where did the $400 million come from? Pretty simple question that NO ONE can answer. We have a right to know, don't we? I've got your back...
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
What did I say that was a lie?
I included your quote and you are still too dumb to figure it out. Go figure...
That's a great argument.
Should I just use pictures for you next time? Crayons maybe?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
How does that comment in any way say anything about how I lied? I said unemployment is lower now than any time in Reagan's presidency. Is that not true?
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
What did I say that was a lie?
I included your quote and you are still too dumb to figure it out. Go figure...
That's a great argument.
Should I just use pictures for you next time? Crayons maybe?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
How does that comment in any way say anything about how I lied? I said unemployment is lower now than any time in Reagan's presidency. Is that not true?
Of course because unemployment now is not measured in any way the same as it was in the 1980s (or before, or even the 90s...the calculation itself has been changed several times). Anyone with a clue would know this, which is why you don't. Its a discussion that happens around here once a year.
However, when someone brought up the labor participation rate you said it was not valid because "Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all."
I merely pointed out that if you compare the labor participation rate of 25-54 year olds from the last years of Reagan to now, the labor participation rate was higher under Reagan. That ignores the impact of "baby boomers".
It was ransom and a payment for prior debt. Who gives a fuck? If it were Trump, you'd call him a hero for getting prisoners released.
And Iran isn't the #1 facilitator of terrorism.
No I would not. This makes the US a target for hostage taking. We do not negotiate with terrorists they should only be paid in lead or C4.
I guess Reagan gave them guns rather than money. But still.
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13]
So your saying because more people weren't prosecuted it's OK now? We don't need to declassify anything well just ask Wiki or Putin for the hacked secret emails.
Providing arms to AL Qaueda and ISIS is quite a bit different. We're actively fighting both. Didn't think we were at war with Iran.
You were bitching about giving money to Iran for hostages. I show you Regan gave guns to Iran for hostages. Then you deflect to giving guns to al quada and ISIS. Which is another lie. You actually lie like Hillary.
Nice deflection BTW. You are awful at this.
At the time Iran was at war with Iraq. Kept both of them killing each other and we funded the Contra's out of the profits to fight your comrades. Good idea but not legal. We did not pay for hostages.
Holy smokes you lift that from an Iranian news site? \
From Wikipedia and that's what happened. Your mind just won't wrap around the fact that Reagan would do the same thing Obama did.
Iran is still under sanctions and the cash transaction was actually illegal. But the dictator is above the law.
Your saying Obama can do it because Reagan did is deflection. Directly funding terrorists is also illegal. Iran is a terrorismust sponsor. Your guy pulled this shit. By your analogy no crime was committed by Reagan because he wasn't convicted so stop deflecting and slap your homeboy down for funding terrorists who will use it to kill our people.
Where did I say Obama can do it, so can Reagan? The only thing I said, is you are too fucktarded to realize your hero did the same thing.
I liked Ronnie. Made good money in the 80's built businesses it was good times. Unlike the current socialist slump.
You didn't build that.
And unemployment is lower now than it was at anytime during Reagan's presidency.
Yeah if you simply remove the unemployed from the count like the current administration does. Currently we enjoy the lowest labor participation rate since 1964. I'm thinking just maybe the population has grown too.
Inflation great too Right? Except they don't count fuel or food. After all who uses that stuff!
Figures never lie but liars figure.
Fuel and food are up massively the last 5 years.
Oh wait.
And nice lies. 1964? Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all. Right?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
Back you your lies now...
Did it hurt to lift those goalposts and move them?
Which goalposts are those? I wasn't part of the unemployment discussion...I just saw a false statement and commented accordingly.
I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
What did I say that was a lie?
I included your quote and you are still too dumb to figure it out. Go figure...
That's a great argument.
Should I just use pictures for you next time? Crayons maybe?
Labor participation rate for 25-54 year olds is still lower than when Reagan left office.
How does that comment in any way say anything about how I lied? I said unemployment is lower now than any time in Reagan's presidency. Is that not true?
Of course because unemployment now is not measured in any way the same as it was in the 1980s (or before, or even the 90s...the calculation itself has been changed several times). Anyone with a clue would know this, which is why you don't. Its a discussion that happens around here once a year.
However, when someone brought up the labor participation rate you said it was not valid because "Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all."
I merely pointed out that if you compare the labor participation rate of 25-54 year olds from the last years of Reagan to now, the labor participation rate was higher under Reagan. That ignores the impact of "baby boomers".
God you are a moron.
How does that prove I'm lying? Holy fuck. And you can look up the changes to unemployment. The formula is the same now as it was in 06 when conservatives were screaming "see low unemployment". That doesn't make the number not comparable to 1988.
And no, just looking at 25-54 doesn't ignore the effect of baby boomers. There's a portion of baby boomers that can't retire early that's taking jobs from younger folk. So baby boomers are loving longer, which effects the stats when you include all people.
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I shouldn't call it a lie though...HondoFS isn't smart enough to knowingly do much of anything. He's just too stupid to realize what he is saying isn't true.
http://danielamerman.com/articles
If this unethical rigged DOJ objected it must have been akin to genocide.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department
Where did BHO get the $400 million? Anyone?
How does that comment in any way say anything about how I lied? I said unemployment is lower now than any time in Reagan's presidency. Is that not true?
However, when someone brought up the labor participation rate you said it was not valid because "Lol and of course ignore baby boomers. That doesn't effect labor participation at all."
I merely pointed out that if you compare the labor participation rate of 25-54 year olds from the last years of Reagan to now, the labor participation rate was higher under Reagan. That ignores the impact of "baby boomers".
God you are a moron.
And no, just looking at 25-54 doesn't ignore the effect of baby boomers. There's a portion of baby boomers that can't retire early that's taking jobs from younger folk. So baby boomers are loving longer, which effects the stats when you include all people.