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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    There you have it. Everybody wins. That is until you actually bother to look at the bottom line of free healthcare, medicare and free school. If I didn't have to pay my bills every month, I'd be living pretty high on the Hog too.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    And by the most conservative estimates, 600,000 jobs were gained by the stimulus package. Your head has to be firmly lodged into your ass to try to deny that that bill achieved what it set out to do.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    And by the most conservative estimates, 600,000 jobs were gained by the stimulus package. Your head has to be firmly lodged into your ass to try to deny that that bill achieved what it set out to do.
    Obama himself joked that the jobs weren't a shovel ready as he thought. Real funny

    But if you would like to link to your stats in the face of a failing economy still under Obama we can take a look.

    The economy still sucks and the money was used to prop up state government unions
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    Another pussy defeatist dem.

    First Bernie couldn't beat Hilary, now it's a race. Then he couldn't win the general, except he polls better than the top 3 republicans. Now I'm supposed to listen when you say he'll never pass anything. No.

    It is not Bernies fault you were burned by Obama. Stop projecting the community organizers failures on to him.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,311
    As a Democrat.....F-me sideways.

    He doesn't really have a chance of winning does he?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    I'm bernin I'm bernin I'm bernin for you
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    Oh Race. I know what point you were making. You just failed to do it. Cause America hasn't done what Bernie is proposing.

    But you know that. Or maybe you don't get it.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    Another pussy defeatist dem.

    First Bernie couldn't beat Hilary, now it's a race. Then he couldn't win the general, except he polls better than the top 3 republicans. Now I'm supposed to listen when you say he'll never pass anything. No.

    It is not Bernies fault you were burned by Obama. Stop projecting the community organizers failures on to him.
    Lol Obama got medical insurance passed and the stimulus, but both were much different that what he campaigned on.

    There isn't one candidate that will actually do what they say. You think any Republican will kill obamacare and defund all of planned parenthood?

    It's called reality.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    Oh Race. I know what point you were making. You just failed to do it. Cause America hasn't done what Bernie is proposing.

    But you know that. Or maybe you don't get it.
    We had a trillion dollar stimulus that became a standard budget item. 9 trillion of debt, 19 total. Our growth rate should be 8% not teetering on another recession
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    Another pussy defeatist dem.

    First Bernie couldn't beat Hilary, now it's a race. Then he couldn't win the general, except he polls better than the top 3 republicans. Now I'm supposed to listen when you say he'll never pass anything. No.

    It is not Bernies fault you were burned by Obama. Stop projecting the community organizers failures on to him.
    Lol Obama got medical insurance passed and the stimulus, but both were much different that what he campaigned on.

    There isn't one candidate that will actually do what they say. You think any Republican will kill obamacare and defund all of planned parenthood?

    It's called reality.
    Oh yeah, as a liberal I'm super pumped that we got Romneycare through. I mean thank god. Any time your hope and change candidate can pass a republican healthcare law you have to be thrilled.

    Plenty of presidents have actually gotten things done. The loser in the White House now has turned you into a fucking doog. Youre all about the moral victories because you can't expect more.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    Oh Race. I know what point you were making. You just failed to do it. Cause America hasn't done what Bernie is proposing.

    But you know that. Or maybe you don't get it.
    We had a trillion dollar stimulus that became a standard budget item. 9 trillion of debt, 19 total. Our growth rate should be 8% not teetering on another recession
    Did you even read my post? Holy fuck you are stupid.

    And no that spending didn't become a regular budget line item. Another lie.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    And by the most conservative estimates, 600,000 jobs were gained by the stimulus package. Your head has to be firmly lodged into your ass to try to deny that that bill achieved what it set out to do.
    Obama himself joked that the jobs weren't a shovel ready as he thought. Real funny

    But if you would like to link to your stats in the face of a failing economy still under Obama we can take a look.

    The economy still sucks and the money was used to prop up state government unions
    By what metric does our economy "suck"? Unless your retirement portfolio consists of 90% oil and gas securities, I'm not sure how one would arrive at that conclusion.

    A reasonable person might argue that our economy isn't as robust as it could be, and that our economy is merely average. Or they would make the argument that Obama and the dems' policies have done very little to help the economy, instead we're just seeing the result of the natural uptick of the business cycle. Or perhaps they'd instead credit the Fed's monetary policy and the quantitative easing from 2009-2014 as being far more instrumental in the economy's recovery than any of Obama's fiscal policies. Hell, you'd make a lot more sense if you tried to make the argument that had Congressional Republicans actually allowed a number of Obama's economic proposals to get passed (the American Jobs Act being the most significant example of Obama's economic defeats), our economy would be in much worse shape than it is.

    But why try to make any of those arguments when you can just rest your case on "Obama sucks".

    The bumper-sticker-politics generation can't die soon enough.

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Tequilla said:

    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?

    Inflation hasn't gone above 4% since 1991. What the fuck are you going on about?

    And as a frequent hungover connoisseur of McDonald's breakfast, you must be nearing your fourth heart attack if you're spending anything close to $10 there.
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Tequilla said:

    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?

    Makes it all the more incomprehensible that people buy that shit when a bougie af sandwich and coconut water from whole foods costs the same amount.
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Obama's a neoliberal, so it's surprising that anyone thought he was going to pass single payer and a jobs program. Bernie's refreshing because as an old leftist he's not interested in contemporary identity/culture politics as much as an economic revolution.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    And by the most conservative estimates, 600,000 jobs were gained by the stimulus package. Your head has to be firmly lodged into your ass to try to deny that that bill achieved what it set out to do.
    Obama himself joked that the jobs weren't a shovel ready as he thought. Real funny

    But if you would like to link to your stats in the face of a failing economy still under Obama we can take a look.

    The economy still sucks and the money was used to prop up state government unions
    By what metric does our economy "suck"? Unless your retirement portfolio consists of 90% oil and gas securities, I'm not sure how one would arrive at that conclusion.

    A reasonable person might argue that our economy isn't as robust as it could be, and that our economy is merely average. Or they would make the argument that Obama and the dems' policies have done very little to help the economy, instead we're just seeing the result of the natural uptick of the business cycle. Or perhaps they'd instead credit the Fed's monetary policy and the quantitative easing from 2009-2014 as being far more instrumental in the economy's recovery than any of Obama's fiscal policies. Hell, you'd make a lot more sense if you tried to make the argument that had Congressional Republicans actually allowed a number of Obama's economic proposals to get passed (the American Jobs Act being the most significant example of Obama's economic defeats), our economy would be in much worse shape than it is.

    But why try to make any of those arguments when you can just rest your case on "Obama sucks".

    The bumper-sticker-politics generation can't die soon enough.

    Obama sucks.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102

    Tequilla said:

    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?

    Inflation hasn't gone above 4% since 1991. What the fuck are you going on about?

    And as a frequent hungover connoisseur of McDonald's breakfast, you must be nearing your fourth heart attack if you're spending anything close to $10 there.
    Sausage Egg McMuffin, Hashbrowns, and a large Orange Juice ...

    You forget that I'm approaching old, white, and rich status so therefore I don't order off of the dollar millionaires menu.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?

    Inflation hasn't gone above 4% since 1991. What the fuck are you going on about?

    And as a frequent hungover connoisseur of McDonald's breakfast, you must be nearing your fourth heart attack if you're spending anything close to $10 there.
    Sausage Egg McMuffin, Hashbrowns, and a large Orange Juice ...

    You forget that I'm approaching old, white, and rich status so therefore I don't order off of the dollar millionaires menu.
    That definitely doesn't cost $10.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?

    Inflation hasn't gone above 4% since 1991. What the fuck are you going on about?

    And as a frequent hungover connoisseur of McDonald's breakfast, you must be nearing your fourth heart attack if you're spending anything close to $10 there.
    Sausage Egg McMuffin, Hashbrowns, and a large Orange Juice ...

    You forget that I'm approaching old, white, and rich status so therefore I don't order off of the dollar millionaires menu.
    Where are you getting this, the Times Square McDonalds?
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's great to tout about how much median income is ... everything thinks that that is great until you remind them that costs will probably go up in a similar amount.

    I really laugh anytime I decide to go to McDonald's to get breakfast and realize I just spent $10. Where in this world is a McDonald's breakfast worth anything close to $10?

    Inflation hasn't gone above 4% since 1991. What the fuck are you going on about?

    And as a frequent hungover connoisseur of McDonald's breakfast, you must be nearing your fourth heart attack if you're spending anything close to $10 there.
    Sausage Egg McMuffin, Hashbrowns, and a large Orange Juice ...

    You forget that I'm approaching old, white, and rich status so therefore I don't order off of the dollar millionaires menu.
    Where are you getting this, the Times Square McDonalds?
    No He's back to the future to 2017 at a McDonalds in the Seattle city limits. Except He'll need to forgo the OJ for water.
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
    The Federal Government simply tries to do too much. There are too many departments, too many employees, and much of its spending isn't very efficient. Even though Federal Infrastructure spending lacks great efficiency, it at least has a higher economic multiplier than paying people not to work (Social Security Disability fraud) or giving pap smears to 85 year old women (Medicare churn for more $$$). USPS still loses over $5 billion per year and they've made a few improvements but hasn't stopped Saturday deliveries (no need for them, at least when considering the costs).

    A moderate like Kasich or Bloomberg (maybe even Rubio) should introduce the natural sun-setting of laws so that the outdated ones won't be automatically renewed.

    I appreciate that the Defense Department has been trimming their budget and hope the next President keeps it up because it too is bloated.

    Business tax reform and ending the 2nd home mortgage deduction would be ideal too. Repealing the latter would bring in $10 billion in tax revenues a year and it's something most in DC should support (except for those in vacation / retirement states).
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,171 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.


    The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.


    "If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.


    Obama's shovel ready jobs and I got a good chuckle out of this

    You are aware that our best economy is during war when government spending is out of control right? From a fundamental perspective, government spending reduces unemployment and increases corporate profits in the short term. Long-term effects of massive deficits or tax increases are another matter.

    That being said, even if Bernie does get elected, none of the shit he's proposing will actually pass.
    We already tried what Bernie is advocating which is the point that flew over your head.
    And by the most conservative estimates, 600,000 jobs were gained by the stimulus package. Your head has to be firmly lodged into your ass to try to deny that that bill achieved what it set out to do.
    Obama himself joked that the jobs weren't a shovel ready as he thought. Real funny

    But if you would like to link to your stats in the face of a failing economy still under Obama we can take a look.

    The economy still sucks and the money was used to prop up state government unions
    And their donors

  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,171 Founders Club
    Or perhaps they'd instead credit the Fed's monetary policy and the quantitative easing from 2009-2014 as being far more instrumental in the economy's recovery than any of Obama's fiscal policies.

    Those were some amazing links to factual stats. How about we just add to the $200 trillion IOUs and call it all good?