Other 7 Win Turd Rebuilding Seasons
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4-1 in last 5 was consistent w my season long prediction of 7-6, 5-4 that included a bowl loss.FremontTroll said:
But it didn't play out. Midseason you had us going at least 4-1 over our last 5 regular season games.Tequilla said:People are going to take these kinds of numbers and read into them what they think or want to believe unless you really can cut through the BS and remain objective.
If you go back to before the season, I think the consensus was that the first half was going to be rougher than the back half. That played out. We knew we had youth and that was going give some ups and downs as well. I think we all thought that this was going to be a team that was going to struggle with some consistency problems offensively ... that played out as well.
But since Peterson didn't meet my expected outcome, I should want him fired on the 50 yard line right? -
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No obviously not where have I been that myopic? I just call everyone out for inconsistencies and its inconsistent for you to trumpet our "second half improvement" even though we failed to meet your midseason expectations.Tequilla said:
4-1 in last 5 was consistent w my season long prediction of 7-6, 5-4 that included a bowl loss.FremontTroll said:
But it didn't play out. Midseason you had us going at least 4-1 over our last 5 regular season games.Tequilla said:People are going to take these kinds of numbers and read into them what they think or want to believe unless you really can cut through the BS and remain objective.
If you go back to before the season, I think the consensus was that the first half was going to be rougher than the back half. That played out. We knew we had youth and that was going give some ups and downs as well. I think we all thought that this was going to be a team that was going to struggle with some consistency problems offensively ... that played out as well.
But since Peterson didn't meet my expected outcome, I should want him fired on the 50 yard line right? -
The second half improvement isn't really up for debate IMO ... those that can't see that it was there aren't paying attention.
If the discussion moves towards whether the improvement was consistent with my expectations of the improvement, then that's a different question. I was mildly disappointed with the losses in close games to Utah and Arizona St (particularly this game) as I was looking forward to pulling out a close game that we'd lost from the first half. Then again, I wasn't surprised with what transpired.
We'll know what we have next year.
There's more reasons in my mind to be more optimistic about next year than not. I would be surprised if we didn't win 10+ games next year barring significant injuries. The biggest concerns that I have at this point is better/replacement/consistent play from the WR/TE position and how the defense replaces Littleton and Feeney. Other than that, it's just a matter of growth and development of the young players throughout the roster. Should they develop consistently with what we've seen throughout the roster over Pete's 2 years here, then next year should be a very good one. -
The 2nd half improvement is no different than the 2nd half improvement under Sark that ended in the legendary Holiday Bowl win. Then the fast start the next year and a bad finish.
It's the fucking schedule.
ASU, Stanford, and Oregon say fuck off. WSU and OSU say hi -
What the fuck did I just read?
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If SRS shows progress then it also shows that Petersen had some of the most to work with in the country and did the least with it (wins wise).Houhusky said:
1) "UW should have won 2 more games" I don't understand how you can say this, agree with it, and think things are going well... Maybe it was the altitude or El Niño or somethingHeretoBeatmyChest said:The numbers legitimize that UW probably should have won 2 more games. I've said that before. If you want to put that 100% on the coach without considering all the circumstances fine. So then every other coach I listed sucked too? Carroll was 100% responsible for USC going 6-6 his first year and losing a bunch of close games? And then he suddenly became NC caliber coach thereafter?
The context is important. UW in 2013 was 8-4 but #13. That was Sark's 5th year. The roster was stacked. More than half the starters have started a game in the NFL. UW in 1997 was 8-4 but #7. Also a stacked roster from a NC caliber team. Those coaches were deep in their tenures with tons of NFL talent and experienced teams... and the metrics showed that they should have won a lot more.
Yes, same thing for this season but it's the second year and it was a deep rebuilding year. If you can't admit that you're not dealing with reality. The initial progress from young and rebuilding teams often shows up first in the metrics.
Look at the Seahawks. Had the same record in 2011 as 2010 but didn't make the playoffs. Very young team in 2011. Their SRS was way better in 2011. Their point differential was +6. It was -97 the year before. They were also much better in the FootballOutsiders shit. They were 7-9 but 5 losses were by 16 points. By your logic, Pete Carroll sucks or sucked then.
Good progress was made this season and things are on track for year two. That's really all I'm pointing out. Every team in the Pac12 but Stanford and maybe Oregon St. would trade their HC for Petersen.
2) "context is important" = perspective guys!
3) NFL... WTF?
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If SRS shows progress then it also shows that Petersen had some of the most to work with in the country and did the least with it (wins wise).
If Petersen takes a team with SRS of 9.79 and wins 7 games it is going to take a SRS of 13.9 (top 10) for him just to break 10 wins one season.
You can't have it both ways, "it shows great improvement guys! Except when it doesn't because it can't measure certain things so ignore what SRS says now!"
5) IDGAF what other shitty programs would do or want with Petersen. USC wanted Sark, Oregon wanted Helfrich, UCLA wanted Mora and they are all football humping retards. Other schools willing to trade their coaches who have already beaten Petersen says nothing about Petes ability.
Besides you have already shown multiple times that you believe SRS is the most important thing in the beginning.
If SRS is more indicative of a program and a coach then you have to say that Petersen is a -2 or -3 win coach
If wins and losses are more indicative of a program and a coach then 4-5 > 4-5....
Just total nonsense dude. You, Race, Tommy and a few others are literally the only people in the entire world who believe that.
Least returning starters in the conference. Vegas had us 4 wins. Other coaches in the conference thought we'd be terrible (read Athlon's 2015 preseason issue). Lost 5 guys to the NFL on defense. True freshman starters at QB, RB and LT. Recruiting ranking in the conference (past 4 years) of about 6th, which is probably 8th when you account for high rated guys not on the roster and guys leaving early (Stringfellow, Kelly, Miles, Williams, Shaq, Peters). Most preseason rankings I saw had us at 50 to 70.
Yeah we should have been 10-3. Stanford was 12-2 and had 7 guys first or second team all pac 12. They had 5 guys on offense including 4 on the first team. UW didn't have any guys on first or second team offense. A lot to work with? Fuck no. Gaskin was the only all conference caliber guy and he sucked against Div1 competition until about the 6th week of the season.
Now next year there will be a lot more to work with. Gaskin and Ross should be all conference, hopefully 1 OL and Browning and Daniels could get HM. There are plenty of guys on defense with a shot.
The huge improvement in SRS and all the efficiency ratings amid tons of new starters and true freshman is a sign that the team improved and developed. Not that they just showed up in spring and summer and were a top 30 team that then underachieved by not winning close games. -
This is mostly excuse making doog bullshit that I agree with, so I won't go hard on you for that... but WTF is this shit?HeretoBeatmyChest said:
If SRS shows progress then it also shows that Petersen had some of the most to work with in the country and did the least with it (wins wise).Houhusky said:
1) "UW should have won 2 more games" I don't understand how you can say this, agree with it, and think things are going well... Maybe it was the altitude or El Niño or somethingHeretoBeatmyChest said:The numbers legitimize that UW probably should have won 2 more games. I've said that before. If you want to put that 100% on the coach without considering all the circumstances fine. So then every other coach I listed sucked too? Carroll was 100% responsible for USC going 6-6 his first year and losing a bunch of close games? And then he suddenly became NC caliber coach thereafter?
The context is important. UW in 2013 was 8-4 but #13. That was Sark's 5th year. The roster was stacked. More than half the starters have started a game in the NFL. UW in 1997 was 8-4 but #7. Also a stacked roster from a NC caliber team. Those coaches were deep in their tenures with tons of NFL talent and experienced teams... and the metrics showed that they should have won a lot more.
Yes, same thing for this season but it's the second year and it was a deep rebuilding year. If you can't admit that you're not dealing with reality. The initial progress from young and rebuilding teams often shows up first in the metrics.
Look at the Seahawks. Had the same record in 2011 as 2010 but didn't make the playoffs. Very young team in 2011. Their SRS was way better in 2011. Their point differential was +6. It was -97 the year before. They were also much better in the FootballOutsiders shit. They were 7-9 but 5 losses were by 16 points. By your logic, Pete Carroll sucks or sucked then.
Good progress was made this season and things are on track for year two. That's really all I'm pointing out. Every team in the Pac12 but Stanford and maybe Oregon St. would trade their HC for Petersen.
2) "context is important" = perspective guys!
3) NFL... WTF?
4)
If SRS shows progress then it also shows that Petersen had some of the most to work with in the country and did the least with it (wins wise).
If Petersen takes a team with SRS of 9.79 and wins 7 games it is going to take a SRS of 13.9 (top 10) for him just to break 10 wins one season.
You can't have it both ways, "it shows great improvement guys! Except when it doesn't because it can't measure certain things so ignore what SRS says now!"
5) IDGAF what other shitty programs would do or want with Petersen. USC wanted Sark, Oregon wanted Helfrich, UCLA wanted Mora and they are all football humping retards. Other schools willing to trade their coaches who have already beaten Petersen says nothing about Petes ability.
Besides you have already shown multiple times that you believe SRS is the most important thing in the beginning.
If SRS is more indicative of a program and a coach then you have to say that Petersen is a -2 or -3 win coach
If wins and losses are more indicative of a program and a coach then 4-5 > 4-5....
Just total nonsense dude. You, Race, Tommy and a few others are literally the only people in the entire world who believe that.
Least returning starters in the conference. Vegas had us 4 wins. Other coaches in the conference thought we'd be terrible (read Athlon's 2015 preseason issue). Lost 5 guys to the NFL on defense. True freshman starters at QB, RB and LT. Recruiting ranking in the conference (past 4 years) of about 6th, which is probably 8th when you account for high rated guys not on the roster and guys leaving early (Stringfellow, Kelly, Miles, Williams, Shaq, Peters). Most preseason rankings I saw had us at 50 to 70.
Yeah we should have been 10-3. Stanford was 12-2 and had 7 guys first or second team all pac 12. They had 5 guys on offense including 4 on the first team. UW didn't have any guys on first or second team offense. A lot to work with? Fuck no. Gaskin was the only all conference caliber guy and he sucked against Div1 competition until about the 6th week of the season.
Now next year there will be a lot more to work with. Gaskin and Ross should be all conference, hopefully 1 OL and Browning and Daniels could get HM. There are plenty of guys on defense with a shot.
The huge improvement in SRS and all the efficiency ratings amid tons of new starters and true freshman is a sign that the team improved and developed. Not that they just showed up in spring and summer and were a top 30 team that then underachieved by not winning close games.
The truth is he was always our best RB and the fact that we didn't have him ahead of DWarsh every game following Sac State is inexcusable. No one could make the argument that DWarsh earned to be in front of him after Sac State.
Do people just think he was magically ready to get 130+ vs. USC and Oregon?
Fuck to the fuck no. Football coaches are just fucking stupid and we should've started him game 1 vs. Boise like we did with Jakey. I suppose you could excuse BSU (I don't), but not starting him after he looked like Tiki Barber against Sac State was FS.
No matter how much the DWoogs wanted to hold onto the 'home run hitter' bullshit; DWarsh cost us the game vs. Utah and starting Gaskin obviously showed over the course of the season he was clearly our best back. -
IMO the biggest factor behind Gaskin taking off the 2nd half of the season was the growth of the OL over the same period. Once Gaskin gets a hint of a crease, away he goes. Early in the season, there wasn't even a hint of a crease.
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Well after tearing up Sac St, Gaskin sucked against Utah St when they gave him the bulk of the carries and then had only 5/16 against Cal while DW tore them up. Gaskin was having more success against USC so they leaned on him from that point on. And DW was working against Arizona and Utah until the two turnovers.Dennis_DeYoung said:
This is mostly excuse making doog bullshit that I agree with, so I won't go hard on you for that... but WTF is this shit?HeretoBeatmyChest said:
If SRS shows progress then it also shows that Petersen had some of the most to work with in the country and did the least with it (wins wise).Houhusky said:
1) "UW should have won 2 more games" I don't understand how you can say this, agree with it, and think things are going well... Maybe it was the altitude or El Niño or somethingHeretoBeatmyChest said:The numbers legitimize that UW probably should have won 2 more games. I've said that before. If you want to put that 100% on the coach without considering all the circumstances fine. So then every other coach I listed sucked too? Carroll was 100% responsible for USC going 6-6 his first year and losing a bunch of close games? And then he suddenly became NC caliber coach thereafter?
The context is important. UW in 2013 was 8-4 but #13. That was Sark's 5th year. The roster was stacked. More than half the starters have started a game in the NFL. UW in 1997 was 8-4 but #7. Also a stacked roster from a NC caliber team. Those coaches were deep in their tenures with tons of NFL talent and experienced teams... and the metrics showed that they should have won a lot more.
Yes, same thing for this season but it's the second year and it was a deep rebuilding year. If you can't admit that you're not dealing with reality. The initial progress from young and rebuilding teams often shows up first in the metrics.
Look at the Seahawks. Had the same record in 2011 as 2010 but didn't make the playoffs. Very young team in 2011. Their SRS was way better in 2011. Their point differential was +6. It was -97 the year before. They were also much better in the FootballOutsiders shit. They were 7-9 but 5 losses were by 16 points. By your logic, Pete Carroll sucks or sucked then.
Good progress was made this season and things are on track for year two. That's really all I'm pointing out. Every team in the Pac12 but Stanford and maybe Oregon St. would trade their HC for Petersen.
2) "context is important" = perspective guys!
3) NFL... WTF?
4)
If SRS shows progress then it also shows that Petersen had some of the most to work with in the country and did the least with it (wins wise).
If Petersen takes a team with SRS of 9.79 and wins 7 games it is going to take a SRS of 13.9 (top 10) for him just to break 10 wins one season.
You can't have it both ways, "it shows great improvement guys! Except when it doesn't because it can't measure certain things so ignore what SRS says now!"
5) IDGAF what other shitty programs would do or want with Petersen. USC wanted Sark, Oregon wanted Helfrich, UCLA wanted Mora and they are all football humping retards. Other schools willing to trade their coaches who have already beaten Petersen says nothing about Petes ability.
Besides you have already shown multiple times that you believe SRS is the most important thing in the beginning.
If SRS is more indicative of a program and a coach then you have to say that Petersen is a -2 or -3 win coach
If wins and losses are more indicative of a program and a coach then 4-5 > 4-5....
Just total nonsense dude. You, Race, Tommy and a few others are literally the only people in the entire world who believe that.
Least returning starters in the conference. Vegas had us 4 wins. Other coaches in the conference thought we'd be terrible (read Athlon's 2015 preseason issue). Lost 5 guys to the NFL on defense. True freshman starters at QB, RB and LT. Recruiting ranking in the conference (past 4 years) of about 6th, which is probably 8th when you account for high rated guys not on the roster and guys leaving early (Stringfellow, Kelly, Miles, Williams, Shaq, Peters). Most preseason rankings I saw had us at 50 to 70.
Yeah we should have been 10-3. Stanford was 12-2 and had 7 guys first or second team all pac 12. They had 5 guys on offense including 4 on the first team. UW didn't have any guys on first or second team offense. A lot to work with? Fuck no. Gaskin was the only all conference caliber guy and he sucked against Div1 competition until about the 6th week of the season.
Now next year there will be a lot more to work with. Gaskin and Ross should be all conference, hopefully 1 OL and Browning and Daniels could get HM. There are plenty of guys on defense with a shot.
The huge improvement in SRS and all the efficiency ratings amid tons of new starters and true freshman is a sign that the team improved and developed. Not that they just showed up in spring and summer and were a top 30 team that then underachieved by not winning close games.
The truth is he was always our best RB and the fact that we didn't have him ahead of DWarsh every game following Sac State is inexcusable. No one could make the argument that DWarsh earned to be in front of him after Sac State.
Do people just think he was magically ready to get 130+ vs. USC and Oregon?
Fuck to the fuck no. Football coaches are just fucking stupid and we should've started him game 1 vs. Boise like we did with Jakey. I suppose you could excuse BSU (I don't), but not starting him after he looked like Tiki Barber against Sac State was FS.
No matter how much the DWoogs wanted to hold onto the 'home run hitter' bullshit; DWarsh cost us the game vs. Utah and starting Gaskin obviously showed over the course of the season he was clearly our best back.
In retrospect its entirely a knee jerk reaction to say we would have beat Utah St and Arizona without DW and we should have ran Gaskin the entire season. They went with the hot hand early on. After Sac St they featured Gaskin the next two games and he didn't do shit while DW tore up Cal and had 2 long receiving TD's against Utah St.
The reality was the offense needed DW until Browning and Gaskin got comfortable.
Looking back I think one could argue DW also cost us the Cal game. Dropped the go ahead TD in the 4th quarter and prior to that fumbled in Cal territory.
