Medi-Cal costing $81 billion

HFNY

Maybe we're already seeing a version of single-payer in California but social justice warriors are already complaining suing over wait times and lack of doctors since Medi-Cal doesn't pay very much. Though I'm not sure what recourse they have since Medi-Cal is free and the low income people who enjoy the free services don't pay Federal Income taxes (in fact, they are likely to receive a check).

latimes.com/local/california/la-me-medi-cal-growth-20151224-story.html

But in a way, IDGAF as long as we can get health care costs down to 15% of GDP. I'm nearly at the point where the ends justifies the means and if we go to single payer, I'll work harder to pay for private / supplemental insurance.

latimes.com/local/california/la-me-medi-cal-growth-20151224-story.html

sarktastic

Goods and services should be allocated on criteria other than economic.

hey, its what I'm hearing, don't twist.

HFNY

But the USA is still running hundreds of billions of dollars of annual deficits and health care is an enormous part of the budget so we don't necessarily have that luxury.

At the very least, the lawsuit should be thrown out. If Medi-Cal is essentially free for them, on what basis can they sue? Medi-Cal certainly isn't violating the 8th amendment.

sarktastic said:

Goods and services should be allocated on criteria other than economic.

hey, its what I'm hearing, don't twist.

godawgst

A) USA as a country is broke, bankrupt, can never repay the IOU's we owe etc.

B-100,000,000,000,000,000) See A

We will be single payer in this country within 20 years. That was the genius part of Obama and what forever be known as Obamacare. The dems and him knew they couldn't get it thru all in one bite, but they got the ball rolling when the supreme court upheld the law which mandates that everyone has health care, but as more and more "exchanges" go tits up because the are losing their ass, the more the govt. will have to "supplement" the program and the more people will be on their plan.

And to think John Roberts (Chief Justice of Supreme Court) went to bed the night before thinking he was going to strike the law down.

2001400ex

godawgst said:

A) USA as a country is broke, bankrupt, can never repay the IOU's we owe etc.

B-100,000,000,000,000,000) See A

We will be single payer in this country within 20 years. That was the genius part of Obama and what forever be known as Obamacare. The dems and him knew they couldn't get it thru all in one bite, but they got the ball rolling when the supreme court upheld the law which mandates that everyone has health care, but as more and more "exchanges" go tits up because the are losing their ass, the more the govt. will have to "supplement" the program and the more people will be on their plan.

And to think John Roberts (Chief Justice of Supreme Court) went to bed the night before thinking he was going to strike the law down.

The liberals want to go single payer. So their grand idea was to add 30 million customers to insurance companies. The same insurance companies that lobbied for the bill and whose lobbying money ensured single payer won't happen.

See the problem with your theory?

godawgst

2001400ex said:

godawgst said:

A) USA as a country is broke, bankrupt, can never repay the IOU's we owe etc.

B-100,000,000,000,000,000) See A

We will be single payer in this country within 20 years. That was the genius part of Obama and what forever be known as Obamacare. The dems and him knew they couldn't get it thru all in one bite, but they got the ball rolling when the supreme court upheld the law which mandates that everyone has health care, but as more and more "exchanges" go tits up because the are losing their ass, the more the govt. will have to "supplement" the program and the more people will be on their plan.

And to think John Roberts (Chief Justice of Supreme Court) went to bed the night before thinking he was going to strike the law down.

The liberals want to go single payer. So their grand idea was to add 30 million customers to insurance companies. The same insurance companies that lobbied for the bill and whose lobbying money ensured single payer won't happen.

See the problem with your theory?

The grand idea was to add 30 million people who couldn't afford to pay, and because of this, needed more medical care to get feeling better and "caught up" from health issues they have ignored.

United Health has already said that if 2016 plays out like the last two years have in regards to medical exchanges they will walk away from them because they are losing their ass on them. So who do you think is going to pick all those people up, and who will subsidize their cost so they have the cheapest plans (hint sounds like loverment)?

Once that happens, companies in America will just pay the fine for not offering health insurance (it wll be cheaper than doing so) and let their employees find it on their own.

H_D

Who else saw the thread title and thought it should have been "81%"?