My Thoughts On The State of The 2015 Team
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Where the fuck was all this passion last week? Oh, that's right, it didn't exist.RoadDawg55 said:
I don't have anyTequilla said:
Right ...ThomasFremont said:
Blowing shit up was last season's excuse.RoadDawg55 said:
I used to actually think you had some standards and got it. This is another post pretending that those that acknowledge that Petersen has sucked so far expect 12-0. Not even Sven expects that.Passion said:
Hilarious. Last year there was a chorus of "blow this shit up and start over." So, Petersen blew the shit up and started over. Now it seems a few people on this board can't handle the result.RoadDawg55 said:
Once you realize that nobody expects 12-0 or for the offense to be elite, you might get it. Whether it's a bad QB or youth, having the worst offense in the conference isn't acceptable. It has cost us games the past two years. And it's nothing new. This started at Boise.HuskyInAZ said:
As you know, we have not been good over the past 15 years or so. Lots of blame to go around, but the lions share goes to AD and up. But that doesn't change reality today. Our offense is historically young based on the shit for talent left by Sark. Expecting them to be clicking on most cylinders is ridiculous, unless of course, you're sporting entitled purple glasses.RaceBannon said:FUCK
I suppose one of these times over the last 15 years or so this line of insider bullshit that we get after every new coach is exposed could actually be true BUT I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I FUCKING SEE IT.
Awfully young culture change next year or the year after fucking special as always.
What fucking entitled purple glasses are you talking about. Get the shit out of your eyes and your head out of pool boy's ass and grab a fucking clue.
I'm not a fan of pool boy, nor am I a fan of Smith. Regardless, how about you pull your head out of the past, get your cataracts corrected and get a clear view of our reality today.
The game last Saturday was Cal's best defensive performance against a real team since Dykes took over. Boise State's defense has looked very ordinary since the UW game.
If we want to get really simple. The Petersen era has sucked since the very first game against Hawaii.
Well, guess what - when you blow shit up it means the aftermath on the field will likely suck. The shitty play-calling by Babushka and some poor decisions by Petersen are on them. Got it. But Sark left this program with a bunch of head cases and the worst stable of QBs and OLs in the conference. We should've beat cal at home, but this shit won't get fixed over night.
If we're still seeing failed bubble screens and uninspired WR play by the end of this year/early next year, then I will join all the hand wringing.
In the meantime, welcome to the world of "blowing shit up.".jpg)
You're worried about uninspired WR play? This whole blowing shit up excuse is FS too. Yeah, Petersen didn't inherit a perfect situation. Not many coaches do. He did inherit Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq, Peters, Victor, Bierria, Feeney, Ross, and Qualls, but still. Kim used to say the same thing about Sark needing to blow things up.
It's year 2.
Either you win or you GTFO.
Which is why you're starting a true frosh QB, the backup RB is a true frosh, you have 3 true/RS frosh on the OL, and 2 WRs that are true frosh.
This isn't the NFL where you can completely turn over a roster in an offseason (and even then it normally takes 2-3 years to completely turn the franchise over when it needs to be blown up.
Basically all you are saying is that you have ZERO patience.
Overlooking stats like 10-8 and the worst offense in the PAC 12 so far for the second year in a row? What is knee jerk about that? Blaming the players for not executing and the youth for FS schemes and play calling is straight from the doog playbook. Same for acting like everyone demands 12-0.HuskyInAZ said:
I know it doesn't fit your narrative, but please show me where I'm rolling out of the doog playbook.RoadDawg55 said:
I don't have intricate knowledge of every P5 team. You don't either so STFU. We are young, we get it. Nobody expects a really good offense. One that is merely below average would have at least 3-4 more wins. There really is no excuse for being worse than Oregon State, Colorado, etc on offense.HuskyInAZ said:
I never barked for sark. Again, answer the question or STFU. For the 4th time, show me a P5 team with the youth of UW's offense that had decent results. You and the rest of the knee-jerk crowd can't answer it because the answer is that no team can expect consistent offensive output with the youth on our team. It doesn't mean we can't want it, hope for it.....it means it's FS to expect it.ThomasFremont said:
You seem to know the doog playbook very well. Too young, TUFF schedule, etc.HuskyInAZ said:
Please lay out for me who has played a tougher schedule to date. There are a few teams, but I'm guessing you can count them on one hand.RoadDawg55 said:
Those must be some pretty tough teams with potent offenses. UW, BYU, and Virginia. Props to Boise, those teams are explosive! Whether they are great, good, or just okay, we didn't score an offensive TD and had 179 yards of total offense.HuskyInAZ said:
Now you're just getting FS. BSU is the #1 rushing defense and the #18 scoring defense. That includes playing UW, @BYU and @ Virginia.RoadDawg55 said:
Once you realize that nobody expects 12-0 or for the offense to be elite, you might get it. Whether it's a bad QB or youth, having the worst offense in the conference isn't acceptable. It has cost us games the past two years. And it's nothing new. This started at Boise.HuskyInAZ said:
As you know, we have not been good over the past 15 years or so. Lots of blame to go around, but the lions share goes to AD and up. But that doesn't change reality today. Our offense is historically young based on the shit for talent left by Sark. Expecting them to be clicking on most cylinders is ridiculous, unless of course, you're sporting entitled purple glasses.RaceBannon said:FUCK
I suppose one of these times over the last 15 years or so this line of insider bullshit that we get after every new coach is exposed could actually be true BUT I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I FUCKING SEE IT.
Awfully young culture change next year or the year after fucking special as always.
What fucking entitled purple glasses are you talking about. Get the shit out of your eyes and your head out of pool boy's ass and grab a fucking clue.
I'm not a fan of pool boy, nor am I a fan of Smith. Regardless, how about you pull your head out of the past, get your cataracts corrected and get a clear view of our reality today.
The game last Saturday was Cal's best defensive performance against a real team since Dykes took over. Boise State's defense has looked very ordinary since the UW game.
If we want to get really simple. The Petersen era has sucked since the very first game against Hawaii.
BSU's defense is damn good. Oh, and they have a ton of SRs making that happen.
One thing I've learned on this board, when you say something really stupid, it's best to not try to defend the it.
I bet you Barked for Sark. In fact, I guarantee it.
The bottom line is that when Petersen was hired, if we were told he would be 10-8 with the worst offenses in the Pac 12, we would say fuck off. And yet that is where we are, but you and a few others still roll out the doog playbook. Praise for wins, criticism for losses. That's how this thing works. Petersen hasn't been good enough.
I think a few on this board are rolling with the petulant toddler playbook. Knee jerk reactions and consistent overlooking of facts that don't fit their slant resulting in a FYFMFE tirade. It's as predictable as the biased media.
Blaming the FS schemes and playcalling for all the problems this year is straight out of the the "petulant toddler" playbook.
The reality is that our issues have to do with BOTH FS playcalling and historical levels of youth on offense. If you can't see that, you are dumber than I thought you were.
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Are you even reading what people are posting @RoadDawg55 ???
You can go back and look at what I've said in this thread and I've been saying consistently since the Cal game that that game is an indictment on Smith as a coordinator and that the fundamental problem to the UW offense is a lack of identity.
I've also said consistently that Smith is walking down the path of being fired after this season and how Petersen handles what is shaping up to be a 2nd year of poor offensive play will go a long way in defining whether he is or isn't the right coach.
That doesn't change though that this is a young team that will make mistakes at times this year. That doesn't change that the expectations for this season were to win 6 to 7 games at best. There was a reason that the expectation in Vegas was 4 wins.
There's a lot of good going on in the program right now ... there will be steps back before we go forward. That's just part of the process sometimes. I've seen firsthand the process at TCU. I see some similar attributes at UW.
I realize that patience isn't always the easiest ... but if there ever was a season where needing to take the long view and waiting until the season is over to assess the good, bad, and ugly, this is the season. -
It's the 4th year in a row of bad offense for Petersen. Smith is probably getting too much blame because it is Petersen's offense. Petersen is an offensive coach. You posted before the season about there being no reason why this team doesn't win 8 or 9 games? Something about expectations. Why not us? Yeah, I remember it too.Tequilla said:Are you even reading what people are posting @RoadDawg55 ???
You can go back and look at what I've said in this thread and I've been saying consistently since the Cal game that that game is an indictment on Smith as a coordinator and that the fundamental problem to the UW offense is a lack of identity.
I've also said consistently that Smith is walking down the path of being fired after this season and how Petersen handles what is shaping up to be a 2nd year of poor offensive play will go a long way in defining whether he is or isn't the right coach.
That doesn't change though that this is a young team that will make mistakes at times this year. That doesn't change that the expectations for this season were to win 6 to 7 games at best. There was a reason that the expectation in Vegas was 4 wins.
There's a lot of good going on in the program right now ... there will be steps back before we go forward. That's just part of the process sometimes. I've seen firsthand the process at TCU. I see some similar attributes at UW.
I realize that patience isn't always the easiest ... but if there ever was a season where needing to take the long view and waiting until the season is over to assess the good, bad, and ugly, this is the season. -
Why on earth would you want to introduce reason into this. The crew has declared that anyone who disagrees with them is a doog, needs to DIAFF, etc. Par for the course.Tequilla said:Are you even reading what people are posting @RoadDawg55 ???
You can go back and look at what I've said in this thread and I've been saying consistently since the Cal game that that game is an indictment on Smith as a coordinator and that the fundamental problem to the UW offense is a lack of identity.
I've also said consistently that Smith is walking down the path of being fired after this season and how Petersen handles what is shaping up to be a 2nd year of poor offensive play will go a long way in defining whether he is or isn't the right coach.
That doesn't change though that this is a young team that will make mistakes at times this year. That doesn't change that the expectations for this season were to win 6 to 7 games at best. There was a reason that the expectation in Vegas was 4 wins.
There's a lot of good going on in the program right now ... there will be steps back before we go forward. That's just part of the process sometimes. I've seen firsthand the process at TCU. I see some similar attributes at UW.
I realize that patience isn't always the easiest ... but if there ever was a season where needing to take the long view and waiting until the season is over to assess the good, bad, and ugly, this is the season.
Maybe this is what Stalin had in mind.
And what was your prediction at beginning of the season, turbo?RoadDawg55 said:
It's the 4th year in a row of bad offense for Petersen. Smith is probably getting too much blame because it is Petersen's offense. Petersen is an offensive coach. You posted before the season about there being no reason why this team doesn't win 8 or 9 games? Something about expectations. Why not us? Yeah, I remember it too.Tequilla said:Are you even reading what people are posting @RoadDawg55 ???
You can go back and look at what I've said in this thread and I've been saying consistently since the Cal game that that game is an indictment on Smith as a coordinator and that the fundamental problem to the UW offense is a lack of identity.
I've also said consistently that Smith is walking down the path of being fired after this season and how Petersen handles what is shaping up to be a 2nd year of poor offensive play will go a long way in defining whether he is or isn't the right coach.
That doesn't change though that this is a young team that will make mistakes at times this year. That doesn't change that the expectations for this season were to win 6 to 7 games at best. There was a reason that the expectation in Vegas was 4 wins.
There's a lot of good going on in the program right now ... there will be steps back before we go forward. That's just part of the process sometimes. I've seen firsthand the process at TCU. I see some similar attributes at UW.
I realize that patience isn't always the easiest ... but if there ever was a season where needing to take the long view and waiting until the season is over to assess the good, bad, and ugly, this is the season. -
I used to actually think you understood managing a program.RoadDawg55 said:
I used to actually think you had some standards and got it. This is another post pretending that those that acknowledge that Petersen has sucked so far expect 12-0. Not even Sven expects that.Passion said:
Hilarious. Last year there was a chorus of "blow this shit up and start over." So, Petersen blew the shit up and started over. Now it seems a few people on this board can't handle the result.RoadDawg55 said:
Once you realize that nobody expects 12-0 or for the offense to be elite, you might get it. Whether it's a bad QB or youth, having the worst offense in the conference isn't acceptable. It has cost us games the past two years. And it's nothing new. This started at Boise.HuskyInAZ said:
As you know, we have not been good over the past 15 years or so. Lots of blame to go around, but the lions share goes to AD and up. But that doesn't change reality today. Our offense is historically young based on the shit for talent left by Sark. Expecting them to be clicking on most cylinders is ridiculous, unless of course, you're sporting entitled purple glasses.RaceBannon said:FUCK
I suppose one of these times over the last 15 years or so this line of insider bullshit that we get after every new coach is exposed could actually be true BUT I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I FUCKING SEE IT.
Awfully young culture change next year or the year after fucking special as always.
What fucking entitled purple glasses are you talking about. Get the shit out of your eyes and your head out of pool boy's ass and grab a fucking clue.
I'm not a fan of pool boy, nor am I a fan of Smith. Regardless, how about you pull your head out of the past, get your cataracts corrected and get a clear view of our reality today.
The game last Saturday was Cal's best defensive performance against a real team since Dykes took over. Boise State's defense has looked very ordinary since the UW game.
If we want to get really simple. The Petersen era has sucked since the very first game against Hawaii.
Well, guess what - when you blow shit up it means the aftermath on the field will likely suck. The shitty play-calling by Babushka and some poor decisions by Petersen are on them. Got it. But Sark left this program with a bunch of head cases and the worst stable of QBs and OLs in the conference. We should've beat cal at home, but this shit won't get fixed over night.
If we're still seeing failed bubble screens and uninspired WR play by the end of this year/early next year, then I will join all the hand wringing.
In the meantime, welcome to the world of "blowing shit up."
You're worried about uninspired WR play? This whole blowing shit up excuse is FS too. Yeah, Petersen didn't inherit a perfect situation. Not many coaches do. He did inherit Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq, Peters, Victor, Bierria, Feeney, Ross, and Qualls, but still. Kim used to say the same thing about Sark needing to blow things up.
I think parts of Petersen have sucked. But to just attach the "suck" label to a guy that has recruited well and is clearly having a positive impact on culture is superficial, and frankly stupid. -
8 or 9 wins was what I thought was a high water mark and stretch goal. I was very bullish on the defense and that has played out.
There's clearly no way that I'd have bet on those numbers. I would have been satisfied with 6 or 7 wins. 8 or 9 I would have been very impressed with.
5 or lower and I would be very disappointed and expect changes.
I agree that this has been 4 so-so years for Petersen. I'm more interested in how he's going to remedy this instead of focusing on something that isn't likely to be changed in the next 2 months. -
Fuck. Off.Tequilla said:8 or 9 wins was what I thought was a high water mark and stretch goal. I was very bullish on the defense and that has played out.
There's clearly no way that I'd have bet on those numbers. I would have been satisfied with 6 or 7 wins. 8 or 9 I would have been very impressed with.
5 or lower and I would be very disappointed and expect changes.
I agree that this has been 4 so-so years for Petersen. I'm more interested in how he's going to remedy this instead of focusing on something that isn't likely to be changed in the next 2 months.
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I can't wait for the podcast tomorrow. Roadie will be en fuego.
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Until that culture includes winning, NOGAF.Passion said:
I used to actually think you understood managing a program.RoadDawg55 said:
I used to actually think you had some standards and got it. This is another post pretending that those that acknowledge that Petersen has sucked so far expect 12-0. Not even Sven expects that.Passion said:
Hilarious. Last year there was a chorus of "blow this shit up and start over." So, Petersen blew the shit up and started over. Now it seems a few people on this board can't handle the result.RoadDawg55 said:
Once you realize that nobody expects 12-0 or for the offense to be elite, you might get it. Whether it's a bad QB or youth, having the worst offense in the conference isn't acceptable. It has cost us games the past two years. And it's nothing new. This started at Boise.HuskyInAZ said:
As you know, we have not been good over the past 15 years or so. Lots of blame to go around, but the lions share goes to AD and up. But that doesn't change reality today. Our offense is historically young based on the shit for talent left by Sark. Expecting them to be clicking on most cylinders is ridiculous, unless of course, you're sporting entitled purple glasses.RaceBannon said:FUCK
I suppose one of these times over the last 15 years or so this line of insider bullshit that we get after every new coach is exposed could actually be true BUT I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I FUCKING SEE IT.
Awfully young culture change next year or the year after fucking special as always.
What fucking entitled purple glasses are you talking about. Get the shit out of your eyes and your head out of pool boy's ass and grab a fucking clue.
I'm not a fan of pool boy, nor am I a fan of Smith. Regardless, how about you pull your head out of the past, get your cataracts corrected and get a clear view of our reality today.
The game last Saturday was Cal's best defensive performance against a real team since Dykes took over. Boise State's defense has looked very ordinary since the UW game.
If we want to get really simple. The Petersen era has sucked since the very first game against Hawaii.
Well, guess what - when you blow shit up it means the aftermath on the field will likely suck. The shitty play-calling by Babushka and some poor decisions by Petersen are on them. Got it. But Sark left this program with a bunch of head cases and the worst stable of QBs and OLs in the conference. We should've beat cal at home, but this shit won't get fixed over night.
If we're still seeing failed bubble screens and uninspired WR play by the end of this year/early next year, then I will join all the hand wringing.
In the meantime, welcome to the world of "blowing shit up."
You're worried about uninspired WR play? This whole blowing shit up excuse is FS too. Yeah, Petersen didn't inherit a perfect situation. Not many coaches do. He did inherit Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq, Peters, Victor, Bierria, Feeney, Ross, and Qualls, but still. Kim used to say the same thing about Sark needing to blow things up.
I think parts of Petersen have sucked. But to just attach the "suck" label to a guy that has recruited well and is clearly having a positive impact on culture is superficial, and frankly stupid. -
@HuskyInAZ, I predicted 7-5. I thought we would suck, but I didn't think we would suck any worse than last year's team or Sark's teams. That's not really the point though. The point is we are losing games because of the offense and our coach who was branded an "offensive genius" just a few years ago has no clue how to find a way to make these guys somewhat serviceable. I'm not saying anything new. I've had this opinion since last year. Pull it out of the achieves if you must. What makes it especially concerning is the fact that these struggles date back to his last two seasons in Boise.
@Passion, it's not a complete dumpster fire. I have acknowledge the improved defense, special teams, and discipline many times, but what has that gotten us? We are losing to mediocre teams. We have pissed away many games. Have we came back and won a single game in the 4th quarter?
The coach we were so excited about is losing home games to Sonny Dykes. Whether Petersen actually sucks will be determined, but he has certainly sucked so far. That's what I'm going off. He seems to be recruiting well, but rankings wise, it's in the middle of the conference. We have seen very little that shows he's capable of leading this program to an acceptable level.
