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  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    I agree with the redshirt argument generally, but not so much for WR and RBs anymore, especially for competently run and recruited program like CCP will run. Those positions aren't difficult to recruit for and those players look to leave at the first opportunity nowadays.

    Unless he's buried in a depth chart or not physically capable - don't redshirt him. Force him on the field, off the scout team or at worst get better athletes on special teams.

    If a player turns out to be very good to great (Sankey) he's for sure gone before that 5th year so the RS is kind of worthless, if a player's just okay to good well maybe you lose that 5th year but he shouldn't be difficult to replace through recruiting anyway. And if a player turns out to be a bust (Coleman) you get him out the program faster and get the ride back to find another Sankey.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    TTJ said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Brostek play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Hale play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did King play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Mickens play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Taylor play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Lenius play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Littleton play as a true frosh again?

    bananasnblondes said:

    Why the hell did Walker play as a true frosh again?

    And the list goes on. Very few of these kids who get thrown onto the field as true frosh turn out to be very effective. Which, along with injury, is why so many true frosh experiments are so short-lived.

    I've never been moved by the butsomekidsleaveearly argument. In the grand scheme, early draft entrants are rare. Even future first rounders rarely play materially better as true frosh than the upperclassmen they're displacing. Remember Shaq as a frosh? Polk as a frosh?

    Show me a player who's good enough to contribute in year one, and I'll show you a player who's good enough to dominate in year five. It's a tradeoff that, in the long view, no thinking person would ever make: Waste a redshirt today, create a hole in your depth chart tomorrow -- a hole inevitably filled by wasting another redshirt later. It's worse than a vicious cycle; it's a roster management Ponzi scheme. Did Peterman play all those true frosh DBs last year because they were so good, or because Seven forced him to? You know the answer.

    Worst of all is the butsomerecruitscareaboutearlyPT argument. Fuck off. The recruits you want care about winning.
    This is the exact poast that needs to be nailed to the face of every stupid fucking coach who tries to play freshmen before their time.

    EVERY NOW AND THEN you can make a case for playing true freshmen. EVERY NOW AND THEN.

    @TTJ - this is the exact right fucking point. FMFYFE. I cannot understand how people don't get this.

    I cannot believe we traded '14 Brayden Lenius for '18 Brayden Lenius. It just makes no fucking sense.
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  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    BallSacked said:

    I agree with the redshirt argument generally, but not so much for WR and RBs anymore, especially for competently run and recruited program like CCP will run. Those positions aren't difficult to recruit for and those players look to leave at the first opportunity nowadays.

    Unless he's buried in a depth chart or not physically capable - don't redshirt him. Force him on the field, off the scout team or at worst get better athletes on special teams.

    If a player turns out to be very good to great (Sankey) he's for sure gone before that 5th year so the RS is kind of worthless, if a player's just okay to good well maybe you lose that 5th year but he shouldn't be difficult to replace through recruiting anyway. And if a player turns out to be a bust (Coleman) you get him out the program faster and get the ride back to find another Sankey.

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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    BallSacked said:

    I agree with the redshirt argument generally, but not so much for WR and RBs anymore, especially for competently run and recruited program like CCP will run. Those positions aren't difficult to recruit for and those players look to leave at the first opportunity nowadays.

    Unless he's buried in a depth chart or not physically capable - don't redshirt him. Force him on the field, off the scout team or at worst get better athletes on special teams.

    If a player turns out to be very good to great (Sankey) he's for sure gone before that 5th year so the RS is kind of worthless, if a player's just okay to good well maybe you lose that 5th year but he shouldn't be difficult to replace through recruiting anyway. And if a player turns out to be a bust (Coleman) you get him out the program faster and get the ride back to find another Sankey.

    Well, UCLA is known for their program management and getting the most out of talent, so I guess we should listen to their fans when it comes to this stuff.
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  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    And thanks for proving my point with the Sankey example. Tremendous player by year three. But even if the coaches *knew* he'd never stay five years, redshirting him costs you nothing because SANKEY WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE IN YEAR ONE. Singlehandedly cost UW the Nebraska game, and just drained carries away from better backs like Polk and Callier.
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  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    BallSacked said:

    I agree with the redshirt argument generally, but not so much for WR and RBs anymore, especially for competently run and recruited program like CCP will run. Those positions aren't difficult to recruit for and those players look to leave at the first opportunity nowadays.

    Unless he's buried in a depth chart or not physically capable - don't redshirt him. Force him on the field, off the scout team or at worst get better athletes on special teams.

    If a player turns out to be very good to great (Sankey) he's for sure gone before that 5th year so the RS is kind of worthless, if a player's just okay to good well maybe you lose that 5th year but he shouldn't be difficult to replace through recruiting anyway. And if a player turns out to be a bust (Coleman) you get him out the program faster and get the ride back to find another Sankey.

    Well, UCLA is known for their program management and getting the most out of talent, so I guess we should listen to their fans when it comes to this stuff.
    DDY just because you're fat doesn't mean you have to be rude on the internet.
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