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Offensive Line -- What to expect for next year?

ToddTurnerLIVESToddTurnerLIVES Member Posts: 438
edited February 2015 in Hardcore Husky Board
We just graduated Tanigawa, Hatchie, Atoe, Riva and Criste. A group that was perennially about to 'take the next step' until they didn't. My question: Can a group of guys with a dearth of meaningful college playing time come in and get similar production to the previous group? On the surface it seems like the expectation should be that we take a step back but the group that just graduated was really fucking mediocre:

Year  Rushing - Rank  Sacks Allowed - Rank  TFL Allowed - Rank
2014  188.6/g - 40   28(2/g) - 56          87(6.21/g) - 73
2013  239/g - 15      30(2.31/g) - 82      82(6.31/g) - 76


*sorry for the shitty formatting
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  • FreeChavezFreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    Keep in mind everyone's ACL's are fully back to full strength after a season without Ivan. Let's give them a shot with all joints working before judging.
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  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,627 Founders Club
    DeepSeaZ said:

    I no longer expect anything from our line.

    Ever. I boldly predict we'll be improved. How many times will we fall for thinking returning experience is good when the returners are shit?

    Our RBs will be better, QB decision making can't get worse, and the new blood OL can't be worse. If i'm wrong, it doesn't matter. The line has been terrible for 15 years.
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  • MisterEmMisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    The OL will be aiight. Not good, but not bad either.
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  • FreeChavezFreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    The OL will get help from a QB who will make decisions pre-snap, not run sideways instead of into the pocket, as well as someone who will stretch the field more than 4 yards. I don't blame miley for everything, but the OL gets a lot of blame when they had zero to work with. Blitzes all day b/c corners can be in man the entire game. A QB who regularly would run sideways under any pressure.

    With better QB play and another year in the weight room it will be serviceable.
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  • bananasnblondesbananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,427
    I believe the OL prompted Pete's famous "how have you been playing for 4 years and don't know this stuff?" comment.
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  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,040 Swaye's Wigwam
    bananasnblondes said:

    I believe the OL prompted Pete's famous "how have you been playing for 4 years and don't know this stuff?" comment.

    Every new coach says that.
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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,947 Swaye's Wigwam
    HuskyJW said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    I believe the OL prompted Pete's famous "how have you been playing for 4 years and don't know this stuff?" comment.

    Every new coach says that.
    Meh. This is just classic confirmation bias. It's telling because we want it to be telling. But these exact comments are made by coaches every single time it's recruiting season. Sometimes they're telling, sometimes they're not. Time will tell.

    Either way it will be interesting.
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  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,528
    edited February 2015
    Careful.........too much football discussion will lead to Derek charging a $10.95 monthly subscription fee.
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  • ToddTurnerLIVESToddTurnerLIVES Member Posts: 438
    I don't think the O Line will be any worse than last year from a talent perspective. If RB and QB play stayed constant from this year to next I would expect that our offensive numbers would be flat.

    I do think that it really only takes an improvement in either QB or RB play to really take a lot of pressure off the O Line. Defenses just pinned their ears back against us last year because we had slow/un-instinctual running backs and a QB with a slow release and no intermediate passing consistency.

    If one of the those three position groupings improves it could have a ripple effect to the others. A rising tide lifts all ships!!!(not meant to be a political statement @d2d)
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,812
    ToddTurnerLIVES said:

    We just graduated Tanigawa, Hatchie, Atoe, Riva and Criste. A group that was perennially about to 'take the next step' until they didn't. My question: Can a group of guys with a dearth of meaningful college playing time come in and get similar production to the previous group? On the surface it seems like the expectation should be that we take a step back but the group that just graduated was really fucking mediocre:

    Year  Rushing - Rank  Sacks Allowed - Rank  TFL Allowed - Rank
    2014  188.6/g - 40   28(2/g) - 56          87(6.21/g) - 73
    2013  239/g - 15      30(2.31/g) - 82      82(6.31/g) - 76


    *sorry for the shitty formatting

    Shit. OL Bored. Belongs.
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  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    I have never understood why it's great to have "Returning Starters" that are shitty. The bad news is THEY'RE BACK!

    I'M SO HAPPY THEY'RE GONE!
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  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    I think the OL talent of guys coming in could offset experience losses to some degree. Some of the guys you had on the OL last year looked like hefty bags filled with wet shit. Getting higher level athletes like a McGary or Adams on the field can offset the loss of an experienced beached orca like Atoe to a certain extent.

    I think an equally big issue for UW - Coleman & Washington are probably in the bottom third of starting pair of Rbs in the pac12. Those two need to really step it up.
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  • MrsPetersenMrsPetersen Member Posts: 724
    BallSacked said:

    Getting higher level athletes like a McGary or Adams on the field can offset the loss of an experienced beached orca like Atoe to a certain extent.

    I thought Atoe was a first rounder!?!?!?!
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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    BallSacked said:

    I think the OL talent of guys coming in could offset experience losses to some degree. Some of the guys you had on the OL last year looked like hefty bags filled with wet shit. Getting higher level athletes like a McGary or Adams on the field can offset the loss of an experienced beached orca like Atoe to a certain extent.

    I think an equally big issue for UW - Coleman & Washington are probably in the bottom third of starting pair of Rbs in the pac12. Those two need to really step it up.

    The scary part is that the OL played better once Atoe moved to RT and Coleman Shelton got benched. Eldenkamp and Kirkland couldn't even beat out Shelton.
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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    I didn't read a single post in this thread but I'd bet my house someone reference 2017 being special. This is why I love Doog hope.

    Halfbrains bitch about the present while saying how good things will be two years out.

    Doogs don't bitch about the present while saying how good things will be two years out.


    You're the same, except for Damone, he's the only one that "gets it."
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  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,040 Swaye's Wigwam
    Mosster47 said:

    I didn't read a single post in this thread but I'd bet my house someone reference 2017 being special. This is why I love Doog hope.

    Halfbrains bitch about the present while saying how good things will be two years out.

    Doogs don't bitch about the present while saying how good things will be two years out.


    You're the same, except for Damone, he's the only one that "gets it."

    I know you are being sarcastic...but Damone doesn't post here anymore.
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  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    edited February 2015
    RoadDawg55 said:

    BallSacked said:

    I think the OL talent of guys coming in could offset experience losses to some degree. Some of the guys you had on the OL last year looked like hefty bags filled with wet shit. Getting higher level athletes like a McGary or Adams on the field can offset the loss of an experienced beached orca like Atoe to a certain extent.

    I think an equally big issue for UW - Coleman & Washington are probably in the bottom third of starting pair of Rbs in the pac12. Those two need to really step it up.

    The scary part is that the OL played better once Atoe moved to RT and Coleman Shelton got benched. Eldenkamp and Kirkland couldn't even beat out Shelton.
    Atoe looked awful in every game I saw him. Body and athleticism befitting of a guard, but he's 6'7" and 50 or 60 #s overweight. That's the worst combination for a CFB OL.

    In my opinion, OL play is largely about your Left Tackle. If you can button down LT with the right athlete, the rest of the OL should fall in line, especially the G-C-G combination. If the LT is dreck, then that's a major problem. Adams and McGary look like next-level LT prospects to me, if either can hold down that spot I think the OL play will be at least 'okay'.
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