Obama condemns Christianity for its "horrible deeds".

d2d

Never one to condemn "Islam" for anything, today at the the National Prayer Breakfast Obama condemned Christianity saying:

"Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ."

Interesting concept, instead of blaming George Bush, he's now blaming Christianity for something that happened over a thousand years ago. (There are a few of us in here that actually think we need a 21st Century Nuclear Crusade up their collective ass.)

In addition, Obama blamed slavery in this country on Christianity by saying, "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ".

Interesting viewpoint. Jim Crow was a fictitious character and "Jim Crow Laws" were passed by legislatures, not religious organizations.

Maybe one of you Obamaniacs should tell the "Head of the Teacher's Smoking Lounge" that SLAVERY IS CURRENTLY LEGAL IN DOZENS OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES. The "smartest president in history" obviously doesn't know that fact. Again, for our "hard of reading" members I have posted a link to a video of "your president" saying these stupid things.

video.lauraingraham.com/Laura-Ingraham-Obama-Bashes-Christianity-Out-Of-Malicious-Ignorance-28504448

2001400ex

Death, do you disagree?

RaceBannon

Who started the abolitionist movement to end slavery? Christians. Who ran the slave trade in Africa? Muslims

But still

Obama never blames Islam for Islamic terrorists yet now is the idiot internet liberal talking about the Crusades when Muslims are blowing shit up all over today. He sounds like Honda, which is not what you want in your President.

2001400ex

What he said was factual.... You can spin it any way you want.

RaceBannon

How did all those countries end up Muslim during the crusade era? Free elections?

What he said was irrelevant and stupid. Like you. Like I said

2001400ex

RaceBannon said:

How did all those countries end up Muslim during the crusade era? Free elections?

What he said was irrelevant and stupid. Like you. Like I said

While I can't say he should have had that discussion. I think it's silly. But what he said was factual. And I do chuckle when people like you freak out about stuff he says.

ThomasFremont

I'm hearing the Crusades, like the Holocaust, never really happened.

Just a bunch of lies made up by the liberal media.

Wake up sheeple!!1!

d2d

It's what he refuses to say combined with what he says. But you already know that. You just choose to ignore it.

ThomasFremont

d2d said:

It's what he refuses to say combined with what he says. But you already know that. You just choose to ignore it.

You realize that freaking out if someone dissed your religion is what these guys do, right?

d2d

ThomasFremont said:

d2d said:

It's what he refuses to say combined with what he says. But you already know that. You just choose to ignore it.

You realize that freaking out if someone dissed your religion is what these guys do, right?

I refer you to Race. He didn't insult my religion, because he's a fucking idiot. The Crusades were a reaction to the Islamic invasion of Israel 1500 years ago and the slaughter of every Jew they found. In the opinion of millions, they were a great idea, and would be a great idea again today. I actually freaked out about this, (you obviously did not).



... and this.

d2d

RaceBannon

So posting here is freaking out? Why are you freaking out then? That doesn't make sense. As usual

It calling a moron a moron. Not freaking out.

Freaking out is freaking out over valid criticism of the ass clown in the White House. That's right I said WHITE

If you can't defend what he said then leave it at that. don't pull the lame ass you're freaking out card.

You know who else said criticism of the leader is insanity or freaking out? Joseph Fucking Stalin, that's who. I'm not going to stand for Stalinist behavior on this board unless it's DJ. ILTCHDJ

2001400ex

"This article is about the medieval religious military campaigns. For other uses, see Crusade (disambiguation) and Crusader (disambiguation).

Routes of the leaders of the First Crusade
The Crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Latin Roman Catholic Church during the High Middle Ages and Late Middle Ages. In 1095 Pope Urban II proclaimed the First Crusade with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to holy places in and near Jerusalem. Many historians and some of those involved at the time, like Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, give equal precedence to other papal-sanctioned military campaigns undertaken for a variety of religious, economic, and political reasons, such as the Albigensian Crusade, the Aragonese Crusade, the Reconquista, and the Northern Crusades.[1] Following the First Crusade there was an intermittent 200-year struggle for control of the Holy Land, with six more major crusades and numerous minor ones. In 1291, the conflict ended in failure with the fall of the last Christian stronghold in the Holy Land at Acre, after which Roman Catholic Europe mounted no further coherent response in the east.

Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom. Crusading attracted men and women of all classes. The massacres involved were mainly attributed as being caused by disorder, an epidemic of ergotism and economic distress.[2] The Byzantine Empire was unable to recover territory lost during the initial Muslim conquests under the expansionist Rashidun and Umayyad caliphs in the Arab–Byzantine Wars and the Byzantine–Seljuq Wars; these conquests culminated in the loss of fertile farmlands[3] and vast grazing areas of Anatolia[4] in 1071, after a sound victory by the occupying armies of Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Manzikert. Urban II sought to reunite the Christian church under his leadership by providing Emperor Alexios I with military support.

Several hundred thousand Roman Catholic Christians became crusaders by taking a public vow and receiving plenary indulgences from the church.[5][6] These crusaders were Christians from all over Western Europe under feudal rather than unified command, and the politics were often complicated to the point of intra-faith competition leading to alliances between combatants of different faiths against their coreligionists, such as the Christian alliance with the Islamic Sultanate of Rûm during the Fifth Crusade. Furthermore, whoever joined the ranks of the crusaders gained spiritual immunity, Pope Urban II promised forgiveness of all sins to whosoever took up the cross and joined in the war. While there were additional motivations for taking up the cross—opportunity for economic or political gain, desire for adventure, and the feudal obligation to follow one’s lord into battle—to become a soldier for Christ was to express total devotion to God.[7] Certain monarchs across Europe also pledged their servants for service for the perks of being "a part of the war". Whether obligated, or willing, the time that one put forth to glorify the kingdom of God through his time during the war was greater than any treasure one could gain while upon the earth.

The impact of the crusades was profound, and judgment of the conduct of crusaders has varied widely from laudatory to highly critical. Jonathan Riley-Smith identifies the independent states established, such as the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Crusader States, as the first experiments in "Europe Overseas". These ventures reopened the Mediterranean to trade and travel, enabling Genoa and Venice to flourish. Crusading armies would engage in commerce with the local populations while on the march, with Orthodox Byzantine emperors often organizing markets for Crusader forces moving through their territory. The crusading movement consolidated the collective identity of the Latin Church under the Pope’s leadership and was the source of heroism, chivalry, and medieval piety. This in turn spawned medieval romance, philosophy, and literature.[8] However, the crusades reinforced the connection between Western Christendom, feudalism, and militarism that ran counter to the Peace and Truce of God that Urban had promoted.

The crusaders often pillaged the countries through which they travelled in the typical medieval manner of supplying an army on the move. Nobles often retained much of the territory gained rather than returning it to the Byzantines as they had sworn to do.[9][10] The Peoples' Crusade prompted Rhineland massacres and the murder of thousands of Jews. In the late 19th century this episode was used by Jewish historians to support Zionism.[11] The Fourth Crusade resulted in the sack of Constantinople by the Roman Catholics, effectively ending the chance of reuniting the Christian church by reconciling the East–West Schism and leading to the weakening and eventual fall of the Byzantine Empire to the Ottomans. Nevertheless, some crusaders were merely poor people trying to escape the hardships of medieval life in an armed pilgrimage leading to Apotheosis at Jerusalem.[12]

Terminology
Historiography
Background
Role of women, children, and class
Outremer
Finance
Crusading decline
Military Orders
Legacy
Age of Crusade
See also
References
Bibliography
External links
Read in another language

Alexis

"Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ."

Do you think he actually was trying to sound intelligent and really meant to say something like, "Lest we get on our high horse..." as what he is saying doesn't really make sense as quoted here. But he almost got it.

#telepromptersuperiorityguy.

RaceBannon

2001400ex said:

"This article is about the medieval religious military campaigns. For other uses, see Crusade (disambiguation) and Crusader (disambiguation).

Routes of the leaders of the First Crusade
The Crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Latin Roman Catholic Church during the High Middle Ages and Late Middle Ages. In 1095 Pope Urban II proclaimed the First Crusade with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to holy places in and near Jerusalem. Many historians and some of those involved at the time, like Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, give equal precedence to other papal-sanctioned military campaigns undertaken for a variety of religious, economic, and political reasons, such as the Albigensian Crusade, the Aragonese Crusade, the Reconquista, and the Northern Crusades.[1] Following the First Crusade there was an intermittent 200-year struggle for control of the Holy Land, with six more major crusades and numerous minor ones. In 1291, the conflict ended in failure with the fall of the last Christian stronghold in the Holy Land at Acre, after which Roman Catholic Europe mounted no further coherent response in the east.

Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom. Crusading attracted men and women of all classes. The massacres involved were mainly attributed as being caused by disorder, an epidemic of ergotism and economic distress.[2] The Byzantine Empire was unable to recover territory lost during the initial Muslim conquests under the expansionist Rashidun and Umayyad caliphs in the Arab–Byzantine Wars and the Byzantine–Seljuq Wars; these conquests culminated in the loss of fertile farmlands[3] and vast grazing areas of Anatolia[4] in 1071, after a sound victory by the occupying armies of Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Manzikert. Urban II sought to reunite the Christian church under his leadership by providing Emperor Alexios I with military support.

Several hundred thousand Roman Catholic Christians became crusaders by taking a public vow and receiving plenary indulgences from the church.[5][6] These crusaders were Christians from all over Western Europe under feudal rather than unified command, and the politics were often complicated to the point of intra-faith competition leading to alliances between combatants of different faiths against their coreligionists, such as the Christian alliance with the Islamic Sultanate of Rûm during the Fifth Crusade. Furthermore, whoever joined the ranks of the crusaders gained spiritual immunity, Pope Urban II promised forgiveness of all sins to whosoever took up the cross and joined in the war. While there were additional motivations for taking up the cross—opportunity for economic or political gain, desire for adventure, and the feudal obligation to follow one’s lord into battle—to become a soldier for Christ was to express total devotion to God.[7] Certain monarchs across Europe also pledged their servants for service for the perks of being "a part of the war". Whether obligated, or willing, the time that one put forth to glorify the kingdom of God through his time during the war was greater than any treasure one could gain while upon the earth.

The impact of the crusades was profound, and judgment of the conduct of crusaders has varied widely from laudatory to highly critical. Jonathan Riley-Smith identifies the independent states established, such as the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Crusader States, as the first experiments in "Europe Overseas". These ventures reopened the Mediterranean to trade and travel, enabling Genoa and Venice to flourish. Crusading armies would engage in commerce with the local populations while on the march, with Orthodox Byzantine emperors often organizing markets for Crusader forces moving through their territory. The crusading movement consolidated the collective identity of the Latin Church under the Pope’s leadership and was the source of heroism, chivalry, and medieval piety. This in turn spawned medieval romance, philosophy, and literature.[8] However, the crusades reinforced the connection between Western Christendom, feudalism, and militarism that ran counter to the Peace and Truce of God that Urban had promoted.

The crusaders often pillaged the countries through which they travelled in the typical medieval manner of supplying an army on the move. Nobles often retained much of the territory gained rather than returning it to the Byzantines as they had sworn to do.[9][10] The Peoples' Crusade prompted Rhineland massacres and the murder of thousands of Jews. In the late 19th century this episode was used by Jewish historians to support Zionism.[11] The Fourth Crusade resulted in the sack of Constantinople by the Roman Catholics, effectively ending the chance of reuniting the Christian church by reconciling the East–West Schism and leading to the weakening and eventual fall of the Byzantine Empire to the Ottomans. Nevertheless, some crusaders were merely poor people trying to escape the hardships of medieval life in an armed pilgrimage leading to Apotheosis at Jerusalem.[12]

Terminology
Historiography
Background
Role of women, children, and class
Outremer
Finance
Crusading decline
Military Orders
Legacy
Age of Crusade
See also
References
Bibliography
External links
Read in another language

RaceBannon

ThomasFremont

d2d

The Crusades happened 1,000 years ago, but Obama wants to talk about them today, although there's nothing he can do about it.

This happened yesterday and Obama doesn't want to talk about it at all, because he WON'T do anything about it.



BTW. I love a Crusade!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOfYnVLu9uQ

d2d

DAMN FUCKING STRAIGHT!

2001400ex

Death, what are you proposing Obama do? Start a crusades style war with Islam? So we can kill millions of people to save one person who died in a fire?

PurpleThrobber

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

How did all those countries end up Muslim during the crusade era? Free elections?

What he said was irrelevant and stupid. Like you. Like I said

While I can't say he should have had that discussion. I think it's silly. But what he said was factual. And I do chuckle when people like you freak out about stuff he says.

Factual =/= relevant.

Rolling out the Crusades in 2014 is the religious version of Godwin's Law.