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  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    The NBA still exists in SoCal?

    Crispified.
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  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    dnc said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    I don't actually dislike Kobe…its all the Lakers fans who anoint the guy as the greatest ever and think he's better than MJ. Superstar, yes. But not the greatest ever, not even top 5. Maybe not even top 10.

    That's almost as bad as saying he's the greatest ever. He's probably #6 or 7.
    Not top 10 is a stretch, yeah. I'd probably say 8 or 9.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    dnc said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    I don't actually dislike Kobe…its all the Lakers fans who anoint the guy as the greatest ever and think he's better than MJ. Superstar, yes. But not the greatest ever, not even top 5. Maybe not even top 10.

    That's almost as bad as saying he's the greatest ever. He's probably #6 or 7.
    Not top 10 is a stretch, yeah. I'd probably say 8 or 9.
    That's fair
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  • HuskiesADW
    HuskiesADW Member Posts: 141
    My top 10:

    Jordan
    Russell
    Kareem
    Shaq
    Wilt
    Bird
    Magic
    Duncan
    Kobe
    Olajuwon

    Tough calls with Erving and Oscar. I can easily see someone ranking Kobe like 11th or 12th and putting Olajuwon/Erving/Oscar ahead of him.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    HuskiesADW said:

    My top 10:

    Jordan
    Russell
    Kareem
    Shaq
    Wilt
    Bird
    Magic
    Duncan
    Kobe
    Olajuwon

    Tough calls with Erving and Oscar. I can easily see someone ranking Kobe like 11th or 12th and putting Olajuwon/Erving/Oscar ahead of him.

    Shaq is way too damn high IMO. No way he's above Magic, Bird, or Duncan, not sure he's above Kobe.

    Once you get past sheer number of titles the two most important questions to me are 1) How many titles did you get as the best player on the team and 2) How good was the second best player on your team when you won?

    Shaq grades out very well on the first question with 3 or 4 titles (depending on how you rank in his prime Wade versus slightly past his prime Shaq). But the second question dings Shaq significantly. He never won a title without an in his prime top 3 or 4 shooting guard of all time as his running mate. Shaq was incredibly great when he wanted to be, but he had to have a massively talented running mate to close things out because he was such a liability at the line and didn't take his conditioning seriously.

    Duncan's best running mate was Tony Parker who is nowhere near Wade or Kobe on a historic level. And Duncan won more titles. That one's no contest.

    Bird had great teammates but no one at Wade or Kobe's level. Magic had Kareem but still won a ring when Kareem was like 40. And Worthy was very good but no Kobe or Wade.

    Kobe won two rings with Pau Gasol as his best teammate. Is Gasol even a hall of famer?

    Jordan
    Russell
    Kareem
    Magic
    Bird
    Duncan
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Wilt
    Oscar
    Dreamshake
    Doctor J
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,566
    HuskiesADW said:

    My top 10:

    Jordan
    Russell
    Kareem
    Shaq
    Wilt
    Bird
    Magic
    Duncan
    Kobe
    Olajuwon

    Tough calls with Erving and Oscar. I can easily see someone ranking Kobe like 11th or 12th and putting Olajuwon/Erving/Oscar ahead of him.

    Hakeem Olajuwon in my opinion was the most versatile center in the game. Outside of hitting threes, there wasn't anything he couldn't do. He had a great mid range shot, a great shot blocker, terrific low post moves, and could beast the boards.
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