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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited January 2015
    2001400ex said:

    Keep digging.

    Start reading...

    Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

    It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

    This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn't factored into an analysis of Earth's greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.

    Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (5). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

    Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

    Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

    geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

    Humans occupy approximately only 1.5% of the earth's surface. 75% is covered by water. Combine that with the effect of the sun, and the galling conceit that humans can control climate is beyond contempt.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Again, you get your information from biased websites. It's even hilarious looking at the resources cited on your resource.

    b. Global Deception: The Exaggeration of the Global Warming Threat
    by Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, June 1998
    Virginia State Climatologist and Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia
  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    Read the footnotes genius. The majority of my data is from your President; the one you voted for twice.

    References:

    1) Current Greenhouse Gas Concentrations (updated October, 2000)
    Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center
    (the primary global-change data and information analysis center of the U.S. Department of Energy)
    Oak Ridge, Tennessee

    Greenhouse Gases and Climate Change (data now available only to "members")
    IEA Greenhouse Gas R&D Programme,
    Stoke Orchard, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL52 7RZ, United Kingdom.

    2) "Carbon cycle modelling and the residence time of natural and anthropogenic atmospheric CO2:on the construction of the 'Greenhouse Effect Global Warming' dogma;" Tom V. Segalstad, University of Oslo

    3) Greenhouse Gases and Global Warming Potentials (updated April, 2002)
    Carbon Dioxide Information and Analysis Center (CDIAC), U.S. Department of Energy
    Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

    4) Warming Potentials of Halocarbons and Greenhouses Gases
    Chemical formulae and global warming potentials from Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Climate Change 1995: The Science of Climate Change (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 1996), pp. 119 and 121. Production and sales of CFC's and other chemicals from International Trade Commission, Synthetic Organic Chemicals: United States Production and Sales, 1994 (Washington, DC, 1995). TRI emissions from U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1994 Toxics Release Inventory: Public Data Release, EPA-745-R-94-001 (Washington, DC, June 1996), p. 73. Estimated 1994 U.S. emissions from U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks, 1990-1994, EPA-230-R-96-006 (Washington, DC, November 1995), pp. 37-40.

    5) References to 95% contribution of water vapor:

    a. S.M. Freidenreich and V. Ramaswamy, “Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,” Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264

    b. Global Deception: The Exaggeration of the Global Warming Threat
    by Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, June 1998
    Virginia State Climatologist and Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia

    c. Greenhouse Gas Emissions, Appendix D, Greenhouse Gas Spectral Overlaps and Their Significance
    Energy Information Administration; Official Energy Statistics from the U.S. Government

    d. Personal Communication-- Dr. Richard S. Lindzen
    Alfred P. Slone Professor of Meteorology, MIT

    e. The Geologic Record and Climate Change
    by Dr. Tim Patterson, January 2005
    Professor of Geology-- Carleton University
    Ottawa, Canada
    Alternate link:
    f. EPA Seeks To Have Water Vapor Classified As A Pollutant
    by the ecoEnquirer, 2006
    Alternate link:

    g. Does CO2 Really Drive Global Warming?
    by Dr. Robert Essenhigh, May 2001
    Alternate link:

    h. Solar Cycles, Not CO2, Determine Climate
    by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc., 21st Century Science and Technology, Winter 2003-2004, pp. 52-65
    Link:

    5) Global Climate Change Student Guide
    Department of Environmental and Geographical Sciences
    Manchester Metropolitan University
    Chester Street
    Manchester
    M1 5GD
    United Kingdom

    6) Global Budgets for Atmospheric Nitrous Oxide - Anthropogenic Contributions
    William C. Trogler, Eric Bruner, Glenn Westwood, Barbara Sawrey, and Patrick Neill
    Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
    University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    d2d said:

    Read the footnotes genius. The majority of my data is from your President; the one you voted for twice.

    References:

    1) Current Greenhouse Gas Concentrations (updated October, 2000)
    Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center
    (the primary global-change data and information analysis center of the U.S. Department of Energy)
    Oak Ridge, Tennessee

    Greenhouse Gases and Climate Change (data now available only to "members")
    IEA Greenhouse Gas R&D Programme,
    Stoke Orchard, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL52 7RZ, United Kingdom.

    2) "Carbon cycle modelling and the residence time of natural and anthropogenic atmospheric CO2:on the construction of the 'Greenhouse Effect Global Warming' dogma;" Tom V. Segalstad, University of Oslo

    3) Greenhouse Gases and Global Warming Potentials (updated April, 2002)
    Carbon Dioxide Information and Analysis Center (CDIAC), U.S. Department of Energy
    Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

    4) Warming Potentials of Halocarbons and Greenhouses Gases
    Chemical formulae and global warming potentials from Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Climate Change 1995: The Science of Climate Change (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 1996), pp. 119 and 121. Production and sales of CFC's and other chemicals from International Trade Commission, Synthetic Organic Chemicals: United States Production and Sales, 1994 (Washington, DC, 1995). TRI emissions from U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1994 Toxics Release Inventory: Public Data Release, EPA-745-R-94-001 (Washington, DC, June 1996), p. 73. Estimated 1994 U.S. emissions from U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks, 1990-1994, EPA-230-R-96-006 (Washington, DC, November 1995), pp. 37-40.

    5) References to 95% contribution of water vapor:

    a. S.M. Freidenreich and V. Ramaswamy, “Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,” Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264

    b. Global Deception: The Exaggeration of the Global Warming Threat
    by Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, June 1998
    Virginia State Climatologist and Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia

    c. Greenhouse Gas Emissions, Appendix D, Greenhouse Gas Spectral Overlaps and Their Significance
    Energy Information Administration; Official Energy Statistics from the U.S. Government

    d. Personal Communication-- Dr. Richard S. Lindzen
    Alfred P. Slone Professor of Meteorology, MIT

    e. The Geologic Record and Climate Change
    by Dr. Tim Patterson, January 2005
    Professor of Geology-- Carleton University
    Ottawa, Canada
    Alternate link:
    f. EPA Seeks To Have Water Vapor Classified As A Pollutant
    by the ecoEnquirer, 2006
    Alternate link:

    g. Does CO2 Really Drive Global Warming?
    by Dr. Robert Essenhigh, May 2001
    Alternate link:

    h. Solar Cycles, Not CO2, Determine Climate
    by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc., 21st Century Science and Technology, Winter 2003-2004, pp. 52-65
    Link:

    5) Global Climate Change Student Guide
    Department of Environmental and Geographical Sciences
    Manchester Metropolitan University
    Chester Street
    Manchester
    M1 5GD
    United Kingdom

    6) Global Budgets for Atmospheric Nitrous Oxide - Anthropogenic Contributions
    William C. Trogler, Eric Bruner, Glenn Westwood, Barbara Sawrey, and Patrick Neill
    Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
    University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California

    I don't see Ronny Reagan anywhere on that reference list. Again you are full of shit.