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Big Game Coaches
HeretoBeatmyChest
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Great coaches, championship coaches know how to win the big games. When their team is an underdog they can pull an upset. When their team is the favorite, they come through the vast majority of the time. Pete Carroll kicks ass in the big games. Urban Meyer has kicked ass in big games as a favorite and recently as an underdog. Don James upset Michigan and Oklahoma (I think we were underdogs) and plungered Michigan in the 92 RB.
And Chris Petersen is an excellent big game coach. He upset Oklahoma and routinely upset others in big regular season games. His dumpster fire first year at UW doesn't change that shit one bit.
Watching the pre game interviews, Helfrich seemed out of his element. I feel bad for the guy because things will only get worse for him. Maybe they lose with Chip but its probably a 7-10 point game and not 22.
And Chris Petersen is an excellent big game coach. He upset Oklahoma and routinely upset others in big regular season games. His dumpster fire first year at UW doesn't change that shit one bit.
Watching the pre game interviews, Helfrich seemed out of his element. I feel bad for the guy because things will only get worse for him. Maybe they lose with Chip but its probably a 7-10 point game and not 22.
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Just sayin ... cause I'm an asshole and need some down votes to make my day complete.
On a normal day, maybe. Have you seen our bored today?
That's probably not even top 100.
He is talking about big game coaches.
Totally agree with your comments regarding great coaches, and part of that is the talent and type of players they build. Pete Carroll is a guru at assembling great talent and coaching it up. The same was true of James and is true of Meyer. In retrospect, many of Meyer's teams had no business being underdogs, nor did many of James'. Carroll, Meyer and James are/were prolific at producing NFL talent, and the same has been true of Peterman. The underdog thing has a lot to do with stat monkeys who base their betting decisions on simple things like margin of victory, without diving deeper. Kelly and Helfrich's ducks have been talented, but they're not at Alabama, Auburn, LSU, USC, Florida, Ohio State, or even UW (under James) levels. They are more reliant on a system that helps them overcome talent gaps and allows them to plug in players and keep on trucking. They also execute at a very high level, and that is a credit to their coaching staffs. However, their system alone is not enough to carry them when they face fast, powerful, well coached teams, like the one we saw last night.
Anyway, all I know is our team won last night. Go Huckeyes!
The highlighted portion will be the test in the upcoming years for slingblade.
In regards to Petersen, the jury is fully out. The big wins at Boise are nice, but Boise was rolling before Petersen was head coach and they look to be rolling now that he's gone. They have a winning program and they are typically the most talented team in their league. Petersen's task at UW is so much different that the Boise years are pretty much irrelevant at this point.
The thing I got from last night was that UW is so fucking far from being a championship team. You look at Ezekial and compare him to our backs. Their OL to the UW OL. Any of their 3 QB's compared to ours. Even Kikaha, one of our best players, looks kind of shitty compared to Bosa. UW sucks in every way compared to Ohio State, from the commitment to winning, to the coaching, to the talent.
James took a weak ass program that lost to Bama 50-0 his first year to a stand off against
Bama his fourth year. Bryant called it the biggest improvement he had ever seen in a team.
Three years for Petermen
If you just ignore the obliteration of Arizona and Florida State in the conference championship game and the Rose Bowl respectively, as well Michigan State which was touted as a huge game preseason, sure. Did he get outcoached by the best coach in CFB last night? Yes, yes he did. I'm sure Peterman would have kicked ass, just like he did against Okie Lite.
Also said he figured the definition of a big game is one that he lost
But we were fucking good and physical. It'll take a while, but Pete is a good coach. I'm not saying we're definitely going to get there, but I think downplaying Pete's accomplishments at Boise isn't really worthwhile. Those teams were physical and disciplined and our team under Sark was anything but that.
We wanted change, we've got it and now we have to LIPO. I'm with @HeretoBeatmyChest fully. This year doesn't change shit.
Everything I hear (INSIDE SORE-CESS!) say we didn't play to strengths and played the wrong players on purpose. It was to show these mentally weak POS'es that the system no longer bends to performers. Performers perform all the time or they GTFO.
You think Cyler Miles, Troy Williams or Jeff Lindquist want to become Kellen Moore-level students of the game? Fuck no they don't.
KJCS will start next year and he's going to flush a ton of the roster...
Where that gets us, we will see but LIPO.
TL;DR - LIPO
All coaches blow the games but the best ones find ways to win some games as an underdog and make the most of their opportunities when they are favored. You think Dan Hawkins beats Oklahoma? Georgia and Va Tech on the road? Oregon on the road?
Good win for Helfrich beating Arizona and FSU. But we saw how overrated Arizona was at the end of the year and FSU finished the year out of the top 10 in advanced metrics. Beating Michigan St at home is not a great indicator for a team that has been arguably the best in the last 7 seasons.
Maybe I'm wrong and Helfrich will be a great coach who wins championships. Maybe mushrooms will bloom out of my anus too.
Petersen has proven he's a big game coach. Now he just needs to get the program to that level….before the mushrooms bloom out of my ass.