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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    I've enjoyed this a lot. I cannot imagine how DiAndre Canmbell would rate worse than Callier, though...

    Campbell beat out a lot of mediocre players and started a full year. Callier never started. Hence, it makes no sense he is "a solid starter who sniffed HM all-conference".
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    chuck said:

    Tequilla said:

    Campbell is another interesting case study.

    As a WR, he was pedestrian to say the least. However, his blocking ability at the WR position was fairly strong.

    I'd say that he's a 2 on the scale, but would give him a 2.5 if I could. He's another guy that I would argue, much like Callier, that had a role on the team and performed his role accordingly. It might have always been a sexy role, but it was a role none the less and he performed that role actually fairly well.

    I agree with most of that but I've seen Campbell drop too many balls.
    The thing I like about Campbell is that he was a very good perimeter blocker and a high effort guy.

    While he wasn't a spectacular receiver (obviously) he definitely was a dedicated blocker who played his role well. I think Callier's probably more talented... but that's not saying much.

    Callier is a below average (starters) RB in the Pac-12 in terms of talent. Same with DiAndre Campbell.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    I might participate in the survey. My evaluation can't be worse than the train wreck "How good was Callier" argument.
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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 13,014
    Sure, why not.

    It'll be fun to see which of us is the closest to reality (their picks match the median) and who is the furthest from the truth (the highest variation).
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  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    I will do it
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  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    FreeChavez said:

    I'm out, I know about as much about evaluating football talent as ektard

    Awesomed for self awareness.

    PL_SS (the FS nimrod predicting 3 consecutive division titles for Sark) should take notice.
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  • kh83
    kh83 Member Posts: 596
    Did any of you ever look at a p12 opponent of ours (Cuogs not counting) and think "boy they'd be a lot better with Jesse Callier" ?

    Below. Average. He's a 2.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,794 Founders Club
    kh83 said:

    Did any of you ever look at a p12 opponent of ours (Cuogs not counting) and think "boy they'd be a lot better with Jesse Callier" ?

    Below. Average. He's a 2.

    In 2010 and 2011 he averaged more YPC than Chris Polk. How is he below average when his numbers suggest otherwise? By stats, he is the definition of above average given the opportunity. I'm not even talking about his kick return numbers here, or his special teams touchdown. I just find it interesting that the majority of dawg fans seem to have this opinion about Callier, but he's never sucked.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    Campbell is another interesting case study.

    As a WR, he was pedestrian to say the least. However, his blocking ability at the WR position was fairly strong.

    I'd say that he's a 2 on the scale, but would give him a 2.5 if I could. He's another guy that I would argue, much like Callier, that had a role on the team and performed his role accordingly. It might have always been a sexy role, but it was a role none the less and he performed that role actually fairly well.

    Disagree. This plays back to what DNC said about Callier. Callier didn't start because he had good players in front of him. Campbell only played because he didn't.

    Campbell got playing time in 2012 when Kasen was the only other outside WR. Kevin Smith was coming off an ACL tear. The other WR's were Bruns and Mickens. That teams WR's sucked and were at the very bottom of the Pac 12. Campbell also sucked when he played.

    Once Smith was healthy in 2013, Campbell got very little PT. Even when Kasen was hurt, Stringfellow and Marvin Hall played over him.

    2014, look at the outside WR's. Kasen was hurt and beefed with coaches almost the whole season. His playing time was drastically cut when he yelled at Miles on the field near the end of the Stanford game. John Ross played outside, but moved half way though the season.

    He didn't play fairly well. He played terrible. Spare the shit about blocking too. If you are pumping up a WR's blocking, he sucks. It's important for a couple of plays each game and as a fan you mostly have no clue how WR's are doing except if the RB breaks a long run or a sweep. It's not hard to imagine a RS-SR being better than freshman (Pettis, Lenius) or smurfs (Ross, Hall). Campbell can be a 2 star because he actually played, but his production was nothing more.
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  • kh83
    kh83 Member Posts: 596
    Callier, while talented, couldnt stay healthy. Im basing on results, not talent. And if you can't stay on the field, you can't contribute. If this was talent based, we could just go by scout...
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