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Helfrich already showing that he's a smarter coach than Sark

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  • RaccoonHarry
    RaccoonHarry Member Posts: 2,161
    RoadDawg55 said:

    There should be no problem with a head coach calling plays, provided he is good at it (example: Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly). The problem is Sark sucks at it.


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  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    Reilly seems like he's very good at being a good coach but doesn't have that extra thing that turns good coaches into championship coaches. I could see him doing better at a UCLA or UW (routinely top 25) but not being able to field top 10 teams in multiple years.
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  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    Oregon has so much momentum right now that we won't know what kind of coach Helfrich is for at least 2 years. Who knows if he'll be able to fend off the coming resurgence from USC & UCLA.

    Meanwhile, I think this is a key year for Shaw at Stanford. They won 8 games last year by a TD or less and were not as dominant as they were in 10-11. They also lose some key seniors after this season. Everyone is jumping on their nuts now but I see them having trouble getting 10 wins. I think they could win 9 this year and only win 7-8 next year.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    Oregon has so much momentum right now that we won't know what kind of coach Helfrich is for at least 2 years. Who knows if he'll be able to fend off the coming resurgence from USC & UCLA.

    Meanwhile, I think this is a key year for Shaw at Stanford. They won 8 games last year by a TD or less and were not as dominant as they were in 10-11. They also lose some key seniors after this season. Everyone is jumping on their nuts now but I see them having trouble getting 10 wins. I think they could win 9 this year and only win 7-8 next year.

    Mostly agree. But, I do not see a USC resurgence while Kiffin is there.

    In closing, fuck Woodward.
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  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,617
    I may be changing my ind on Helfrich. He agreed to be interviewed by Softy yesterday (strike 1) and I got to hear the interview. He came off as very Sark-esque. He sucked UW's dick for a while, talking about how UW owns the series and how he "fondly" remembered UWfans singing Tequila on the Ducks home turf. He also talked about how great UW was going to be this year. He sounded like a real nice guy, let's all have fun coach who tries to make everyone happy. This usually spells out "loser". Couple that with the fact that, aside from Kelly, his stints were with Colorado and with Dirk Koetter at ASU so he's been around losing programs quite a bit.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,451 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2013
    bananasnblondes said:

    I may be changing my ind on Helfrich. He agreed to be interviewed by Softy yesterday (strike 1) and I got to hear the interview. He came off as very Sark-esque. He sucked UW's dick for a while, talking about how UW owns the series and how he "fondly" remembered UWfans singing Tequila on the Ducks home turf. He also talked about how great UW was going to be this year. He sounded like a real nice guy, let's all have fun coach who tries to make everyone happy. This usually spells out "loser". Couple that with the fact that, aside from Kelly, his stints were with Colorado and with Dirk Koetter at ASU so he's been around losing programs quite a bit.

    The thing is, coaches like Chip are rare. There are not many great coaches floating around college football. Some (especially doogs) make a huge deal about Phil Knight, Nike, the uniforms, and Oregon's great facilities. There's no question, all of those help, but it was Chip who took the Ducks to the next level. I think it is pretty unlikely Helfrich is anywhere near as good as Chip.

    Oregon is rolling right now, but it will be tough to sustain. Everyone thought Nebraska would keep rolling after Osbourne, Miami with Coker (they did for a few years), Florida after Spurrier. It's just more examples of how vital the coach is, no matter the prestige of the program.

    There is not much to suggest that Helfrich is a great coach. As mentioned, he has worked for Hawkins at Colorado, and Koetter at ASU. I get it that he will continue to run Chip's system and that will help, but Solich ran Osbourne's system at Nebraska. Yes, Solich has soke success, but it was nowhere near the Osbourne level. The Ducks obviously have too much talent to fall off right away, but I think it is likely they will (to some degree) in a few years based on that it is very unlikely Helfrich is in Chip's league as a coach. The successor rarely is.

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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    I may be changing my ind on Helfrich. He agreed to be interviewed by Softy yesterday (strike 1) and I got to hear the interview. He came off as very Sark-esque. He sucked UW's dick for a while, talking about how UW owns the series and how he "fondly" remembered UWfans singing Tequila on the Ducks home turf. He also talked about how great UW was going to be this year. He sounded like a real nice guy, let's all have fun coach who tries to make everyone happy. This usually spells out "loser". Couple that with the fact that, aside from Kelly, his stints were with Colorado and with Dirk Koetter at ASU so he's been around losing programs quite a bit.

    The thing is, coaches like Chip are rare. There are not many great coaches floating around college football. Some (especially doogs) make a huge deal about Phil Knight, Nike, the uniforms, and Oregon's great facilities. There's no question, all of those help, but it was Chip who took the Ducks to the next level. I think it is pretty unlikely Helfrich is anywhere near as good as Chip.

    Oregon is rolling right now, but it will be tough to sustain. Everyone thought Nebraska would keep rolling after Osbourne, Miami with Coker (they did for a few years), Florida after Spurrier. It's just more examples of how vital the coach is, no matter the prestige of the program.

    There is not much to suggest that Helfrich is a great coach. As mentioned, he has worked for Hawkins at Colorado, and Koetter at ASU. I get it that he will continue to run Chip's system and that will help, but Solich ran Osbourne's system at Nebraska. Yes, Solich has soke success, but it was nowhere near the Osbourne level. The Ducks obviously have too much talent to fall off right away, but I think it is likely they will (to some degree) in a few years based on that it is very unlikely Helfrich is in Chip's league as a coach. The successor rarely is.

    Osbourne and Nebraska are a very good example. Let it play out as always, but it should be interesting.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    bananasnblondes said:

    I may be changing my ind on Helfrich. He agreed to be interviewed by Softy yesterday (strike 1) and I got to hear the interview. He came off as very Sark-esque. He sucked UW's dick for a while, talking about how UW owns the series and how he "fondly" remembered UWfans singing Tequila on the Ducks home turf. He also talked about how great UW was going to be this year. He sounded like a real nice guy, let's all have fun coach who tries to make everyone happy. This usually spells out "loser". Couple that with the fact that, aside from Kelly, his stints were with Colorado and with Dirk Koetter at ASU so he's been around losing programs quite a bit.

    I agree I don't think he'll be another Chip which is rare to find. Non Quooks are realizing that as well.

    While I don't think he's the next Chip I can see him being another Bellotti which was good enough to kick our ass five straight before he was D.A.O.

    I also have confidence in Oregon's management that if he starts to slip they will replace him with someone who can get the job done. For being a big time program and being a big spender like Knight is they have yet to make that big splash of a hire or really even attempt to.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    Reilly seems like he's very good at being a good coach but doesn't have that extra thing that turns good coaches into championship coaches. I could see him doing better at a UCLA or UW (routinely top 25) but not being able to field top 10 teams in multiple years.

    I think Riley at UW would resemble the Lambright years. Some years we'd be ranked(15-25 range, never top 10). A lot of 8-5's or 9-4 type of seasons with 1-2 ugly losses a year.

    I'm sure now people would accept that but I wouldn't.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    HeretoBeatmyChest said:



    Meanwhile, I think this is a key year for Shaw at Stanford. They won 8 games last year by a TD or less and were not as dominant as they were in 10-11. They also lose some key seniors after this season. Everyone is jumping on their nuts now but I see them having trouble getting 10 wins. I think they could win 9 this year and only win 7-8 next year.

    I agree with you about Stanford but am tired of being wrong about them. When they lost Gerhart many thought they'd take a slight step back instead they won the Orange Bowl. Then Harbaugh left and some thought they'd take a slight step back and they went to the Fiesta Bowl. Then Luck graduates and they weren't on anyone's radar to win the Pac-12 yet they won the Pac-12 finally and then a Rose Bowl.

    Although I'm still iffy on Shaw as a head coach. I know he's only lost 4 games in his career as a head coach and has won at Autzen even. He has also had some brutal moments in those losses that were head scratching.

    I do look at metrics too and it's hard to sustain that type of good run. Why I laugh when Sark and other doogs say they were a 9-4 team because in reality they were lucky to even be 7-6. Sark has been very lucky to be 26-25.
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