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Washington/Coleman 2014 are better than Polk 2009..deserves own thread
MikeDamone
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Fuck...sure, I'll include his 134 against ND...can I include his next 2 games as well (34 against Arizona and 51 against Arizona St.)? Heck, can I include his 2 games in 2008 numbers where he averaged 1.7 yards/carry and looked lost as could be? And no, I said absolutely nowhere that 2009 Stanford = 2014 Stanford...what the fuck are people smoking? Its an arbitrary cutoff a few games into each of their careers.
None of it changes my point...you are comparing Chris Polk, the guy who had 2 1/2 years of unbelievable production against a RSFreshman who we have no data on and saying Polk has to be better based on the data of his last two years and last couple of games of his 2nd year. I'm saying I don't know, and I'm comparing the equivalent data (4-6 games into their RSFreshman season...you pick the cutoff game...it doesn't matter) and showing their ain't much difference in their stats for those games. Blind with ONLY that data there is no way anyone can honestly say the answer is definitive.
Add to that Dwayne Washington, who is still a hell of a lot better than the dreckfest that was Fogerson, Griffin, or Bronsen. And any of our OL including Atoe or Shelton are a hell of a lot better than Christine or Ossai (feel free to use that in propping up Polk...might be legit, but also says that the 2014 OL >> 2009 OL). And Williams, Ross, and maybe Mickens will get drafted which puts them ahead of anybody on the 2009 crew. The QB is an albatross right now, but I don't think you can say on average the 2009 team is the same talent level as the 2014 team. It sure as hell doesn't match up on D, and it doesn't match up in the overall numbers on the O. That said, I don't think anyone has the same expectations on the team either which is why I think its a false comparison...apples and oranges.
You aren't changing my opinion, I'm not changing your...why again are we beating a dead horse?
Fuck...sure, I'll include his 134 against ND...can I include his next 2 games as well (34 against Arizona and 51 against Arizona St.)? Heck, can I include his 2 games in 2008 numbers where he averaged 1.7 yards/carry and looked lost as could be? And no, I said absolutely nowhere that 2009 Stanford = 2014 Stanford...what the fuck are people smoking? Its an arbitrary cutoff a few games into each of their careers.
None of it changes my point...you are comparing Chris Polk, the guy who had 2 1/2 years of unbelievable production against a RSFreshman who we have no data on and saying Polk has to be better based on the data of his last two years and last couple of games of his 2nd year. I'm saying I don't know, and I'm comparing the equivalent data (4-6 games into their RSFreshman season...you pick the cutoff game...it doesn't matter) and showing their ain't much difference in their stats for those games. Blind with ONLY that data there is no way anyone can honestly say the answer is definitive.
Add to that Dwayne Washington, who is still a hell of a lot better than the dreckfest that was Fogerson, Griffin, or Bronsen. And any of our OL including Atoe or Shelton are a hell of a lot better than Christine or Ossai (feel free to use that in propping up Polk...might be legit, but also says that the 2014 OL >> 2009 OL). And Williams, Ross, and maybe Mickens will get drafted which puts them ahead of anybody on the 2009 crew. The QB is an albatross right now, but I don't think you can say on average the 2009 team is the same talent level as the 2014 team. It sure as hell doesn't match up on D, and it doesn't match up in the overall numbers on the O. That said, I don't think anyone has the same expectations on the team either which is why I think its a false comparison...apples and oranges.
You aren't changing my opinion, I'm not changing your...why again are we beating a dead horse?
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Into the Army???
Same thing was said about Sankey when he took over for Polk and he ended up better. You just don't know. You can't make an apples to apples comparison when you are comparing the full career of one (Polk) to the projected career of a RSFr with 5 games worth of data. It's FS. You can cut the data size down to the same time frame (since they were both RSFr the years in question) and there isn't much difference so far from the two, but its still a pretty meaningless form of mental masturbation.
And I'm still trying to figure out why this is important to some? If Sark was the coach with this team the expectation would be 10 wins...with Peterman as the coach the expectation should be 10 wins...are we now trying to find a reason (blame the talent...need 3 more years) why the expectation shouldn't be 10 wins? And yes, its FS to say the expectation of the 2009 team should have been 10 wins...that team had some talent holes a mile wide that this team doesn't. Comparing apples and oranges...