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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Not a Bill O'Reilly fan, but his premise is spot on. Patton was suicided, plain and simple

    Knew too much and was super popular, could of come back and won presidency in a landslide

    In the meantime, Ike was galavanting around the south of France with his mistress

    My grandpa served under Patton as a commander of a tank crew.

    He and his men thought Patton was a fucking idiot with those "bullshit cowboy toy guns" he wore.

    After taking damage from the Germans, the men started using sand bags to reinforce the weak spots on their Sherman tanks. Patton ordered the men to take them off because they didn't look "sharp" enough for "his" army.

    As grandpa would say "General Patton was all sizzle, no steak."

    Your grandpa knew of Patton from a front line soldier's standpoint but troops at the front neither know, nor appreciate, the big picture. My dad was in the Pacific in WWII and his comments about officers were similar. My detailed reading of the New Guinea and Philippines campaigns proved many of his opinions to be wrong, and when presented with the facts he readily admitted so.

    Patton was one tough SOB. He lead troops at the front in WWI and was wounded in combat (shot "in the ass", much to his disgust). Patton's rapid thrusts through France no doubt appeared reckless to his troops but, in fact, incurred fewer casualties than if he had slogged along at a slower pace. Fascinating character. If you ever get a chance to read one of several excellent biographies on Patton do so.

    I know "Patton superiority guy"...
    He was a battlefield commander. Basically middle management.

    He wasn't in Butler Cabin with Patton and Monty, but that wasn't really my point.

    He wasn't saying Patton was unsuccessful. He was saying he was an image obsessed prick.
    So he didn't win the right way?
    NeoNazis all over Uruguay are still clamoring for sanctions.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,525 Standard Supporter
    Paula > George S

    Titties > tanks
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,449 Founders Club
    edited October 2014
    My Great Uncle was in the Bataan Death March. He survived that, but is dead now.

    #perspective
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,525 Standard Supporter

    So it was your grandpa who got slapped in the face

    He slapped some privates...grandpa was a captain.
    Full Disclosure: I, too, have slapped my privates.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,499
    edited October 2014

    Not a Bill O'Reilly fan, but his premise is spot on. Patton was suicided, plain and simple

    Knew too much and was super popular, could of come back and won presidency in a landslide

    In the meantime, Ike was galavanting around the south of France with his mistress

    My grandpa served under Patton as a commander of a tank crew.

    He and his men thought Patton was a fucking idiot with those "bullshit cowboy toy guns" he wore.

    After taking damage from the Germans, the men started using sand bags to reinforce the weak spots on their Sherman tanks. Patton ordered the men to take them off because they didn't look "sharp" enough for "his" army.

    As grandpa would say "General Patton was all sizzle, no steak."

    Your grandpa knew of Patton from a front line soldier's standpoint but troops at the front neither know, nor appreciate, the big picture. My dad was in the Pacific in WWII and his comments about officers were similar. My detailed reading of the New Guinea and Philippines campaigns proved many of his opinions to be wrong, and when presented with the facts he readily admitted so.

    Patton was one tough SOB. He lead troops at the front in WWI and was wounded in combat (shot "in the ass", much to his disgust). Patton's rapid thrusts through France no doubt appeared reckless to his troops but, in fact, incurred fewer casualties than if he had slogged along at a slower pace. Fascinating character. If you ever get a chance to read one of several excellent biographies on Patton do so.

    I know "Patton superiority guy"...
    He was a battlefield commander. Basically middle management.

    He wasn't in Butler Cabin with Patton and Monty, but that wasn't really my point.

    He wasn't saying Patton was unsuccessful. He was saying he was an image obsessed prick.
    My maternal grandfather fought under Patton. Don't recall his rank precisely but a lower level infantry guy. But I think he pretended to be a corporal. Not sure.

    Anyway, point taken. He was an image-obsessed guy from what I've read and heard, but not the candy ass kind. The guy's whole existence was tied up in the idea of war and he romanticized it.

    The prick part comes from his being relentless, and somewhere in my uncle's house are letters that suggest my grandfather had a similar view of Patton. Nonetheless he was effective. I can think of a lot of football coaches who people don't like who are very good at their jobs, and one can surmise that if they changed their M/Os so as to be more likble it would likely fuck up their performance.

    Short version: some people are effective as pricks, and can't be effective if they have to not be pricks.


    Probably had a small dick and was terrible in bed. Wife probably got some from the yard boy to keep things smooth around the house. But he was a great General.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    My grandfather made love not war.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,789

    My four grandfathers made love not war.

  • priapismpriapism Member Posts: 2,181
    edited October 2014
    My grandpa successfully surrendered at Corregidor Island and outpaced many other soldiers in the Bataan Death March Challenge.
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