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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,429 Founders Club

    You're just making my point for me. Washington is not a Tier II program.

    Right now as programs you have Alabama/OSU in a league of their own, then you have maybe Georgia/Michigan some distance behind them, then you have programs that made it to multiple final 4's or a strong showing in that realm which brings together a collection of teams that includes UW but does not include UW.

    The blue blood thing is irresponsible, to me. A ton of teams that people consider a blue blood are simply Tier I or even Tier II in Nebraska's case.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,697 Founders Club

    Disagree. I think you’ve got about 10 true blue bloods. Then another 10 that can get close to blue blood periodically like UW. Then you have the Iowa and Wisconsin tier.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,429 Founders Club

    I do not subscribe to that criteria when you have an ND team that would have gotten run completely off the fucking rainbow by our 22 and 23 teams.

    History is very important. Washington has such a great history that it will always be part of our identity. If Clooney can take time from banging to go make a movie then it's something. And it was a collection of people, not one guy sticking his cock into everything for fun.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,527 Founders Club

    Michigan and Wisconsin setting football back 50 years

    Washington should have 10 wins before the season starts in this league

  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,765 Founders Club

    It could be argued that the Pac-12 still exists today if Gerbs didn't do what he did

  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,732

    Difference is Ohio State prioritizes football. UW allows it.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,429 Founders Club

    At least we? aren't a shitty basketball school that only sells out games to Iowa and Washington and gets their ass blown out in a single quarter in front of one.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,281
    edited October 6

    I think that's fair. I think the Hubris of Gerbs was his naive belief that the Pac 10 was a conference of pals, all of which would of course put conference before self-interest. I believe he got sold down the river particularly by the Bay Area (funny - just flew in from there) schools and there was no excuse for that ignorance. Bill Walsh went public with his disdain over UW, which incidentally was identical to the disdain other programs and fans have whenever anyone is at the top of the hill. UW was top of the hill in the Pac and Gerbs didn't see the real agenda of the California schools.

    Long story short, he put conference before school. Big mistake.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,281

    Yep. Though I'm not sure I'd put Michigan up where you have them. The natty run was the exception not the rule. Not in Buck's tier except they beat Buck more than most other teams but that's because of the rivalry. Coug beats us? too but that doesn't mean we're? the same. We? are not.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,281

    I think the blue blood thing is of limited utility. Like, when an Alabama or a Buck go a decade or more w/o winning anything of significance (which has happened) then who cares who is carved into some minor mountain in South Dakota?

    America is about what you've done lately, what you're doing now. Losers sit around and pull on their cocks over what used to happen back before they were born. That's monarchy and that is anathema to the American spirit. You want to be on top? You gotta get on top and stay on top.

    Some people have a weak spot for royalty. For example, I know a lot of non-Troojes who worship at the alter of USC. No many can really match their history as enshrined at Heritage Hall but it's not doing anything for Lincoln Riley's defense. It's a disease we all have to one degree or another.

    Don't twist. If you were winning big over the last ten or 15 years, then of course it matters. But if it's much more before that and you haven't even knocked on the door since, how much time am I expected to devote to G'ingAF about that?