Lawyer Milloy - Respect or No Respect?
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To the task at hand
Dawkins is not Tier 1. Recency bias. Ronnie Lott is a favorite of mine. Troy isn't even the best Steeler safety of all time. Donnie Shell is. Failing grade for T1
Jack Tatum killed a man and is Tier 6? Bullshit. Easley too low. Motherfucker blocked a punt in 1978 giving UCLA a 10-7 win on prime time ABC in 1978 when UW was defending Rose Bowl champs and looking to keep big Mo going. Kenny was the first bigtime Seahawk
The rest is really personal preference.
A word on the white guys - when sports integrated there were still quotas on how many Blacks could play at once and in football it was by position
White positions were QB, O line, Middle linebacker, and Safety because those were the "thinking" positions. So Krause was the all time leader in interceptions so he had to be there. Same with Larry Wilson. But like baseball pre Jackie Robinson there is an asterisk involved. But John Lynch hit like a speeding locomotive
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Some love for Ken Houston. Wish I had been alive to see him play but got to wear two of the all time jersey combos. 70s Redskins and Oilers. @WilburHooksHands weeps. Putting him on the graphic with a Commanders logo feels so wrong.
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Chuck Knox used to say that a guy named James Harris was a tragic story. Would have been one of the greatest QBs in NFL history, Knox said
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I recently watched the 78 Rose Bowl. Moon wasn't a first round pick but they had like 14 rounds. To get not get drafted was insane
John Brodie said Moon sucked his first two years, which he did, but gave James credit for sticking with him.
Moon had a tremendous arm. That alone gets you drafted
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Actually I interviewed Ronnie Lott in 2016 and he said without a doubt that Kenny Easley was the best safety of all time, including better than him (Ronnie Lott)
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I mean, the VERY LEAST you can say is that they are 1a. and 1b.
Kenny Easley is an all-timer. Only Seahawk jersey I ever owned.
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Pfft. The '91 team just took a major hit in credibility with the public airing of that statement. And, yes, I will say it to their faces (if Lawyer is with me, that is).
But please. The '91 DBs benefited greatly from playing behind the D line they had. Everybody knows it. The best of them was a disappointing 1st round draft pick (Hall) and the others didn't even have a cup of coffee in the NFL. With all due respect, Pahukoa is not the equal to Lawyer Milloy, much less a hair better, much much less significantly better. The latter comment borders on retardation.
Boom! Facts.
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One thing I'm coming to have at least a suspicion about is comparing players from different eras based on pro bowls. In this day and age of constant coverage of everything and the heightened importance of (often exaggerated and even misleading) image, I think players collect pro bowls once they reach a certain level more readily than did their predecessors. It's like, some guys just keep getting them based on name. I go back to the Blades example. If you look at what he did his ten years in Detroit, one pro bowl doesn't quite make sense relative to other accolades. But again, he was lost on a permanently shit-tier team that NOGAF about at all.
Whatever else one can say about the comparison between Milloy and Baker, I don't think Milloy's 4 pro bowls his entire career and Baker's 7 and counting is indicative of any kind of superiority that tally might otherwise suggest. Said another way, when / if Baker reaches 8 pro bowls, twice Milloy's haul, I will not agree that Baker is that much better than Milloy. Frankly, I'm not sure he's even better at all. Maybe he is. I do agree Baker ought to be on the list though.
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Ah yes, back when this hellhole had a front page. The interview and Lott’s photo were posted before the Pac12 CCG vs the Harley Davidson of college football defenses.
The next morning, I had to rebook our flight because Mrs Nacho thought it was a good idea to pair a shot of Jack with each Coors Light throughout the game followed by a late night meal with another beer or two and thusly unable to remove herself from the hotel bed other than to pay tribute at the foot of the porcelain goddess.
Thankfully, I chose to be frugal and fly Southwest so a flight change was painless (other than the fact I was flying Southwest) and we got a flight around or after lunchtime.
While standing in the boarding line, I notice a black gentleman sitting by himself. Every so often a fellow UW fan goes over and says something, shakes his hand and walks away.
I think to myself, wow, who is this guy? I then remember seeing Ronnie Lott on the Pac12 network or Fox Sports or something and could that him? Is he traveling to Seattle to interview Jake the Cobra Browning? Wait, Stalin just interviewed him and his picture is on the front page! Compare the photo to the guy and I’m like yup, that’s Ronnie Motherfucking Lott right there! #myNiners
I explain this to Mrs Nacho but she’s worried about throwing up food from 3 years ago because she swore she threw up everything else.
My boarding number is A whatever but not the southwest business class. Ronnie stands up and gets in the business boarding line almost right next to me. I play it cool. Look at the front page photo and confirm, yeah, that’s Ronnie Lott.
He boards the plane and our group follows. He’s in an exit row which is where I’m headed and I sit across the aisle from him. A few more UW fans board and say hello to him.
I finally see a break in people boarding and lean over. I tell him I became a 49ers fan in high school watching the SB against the Bengals. He looks at me kinda funny. I go on to say I’m still a 49ers fans to this day. He keeps looking at me like I’m retarded. I finally say, it’s tough being from Seattle and not being a Seahawks fan and he finally smiles.
Whatever. I’m just excited I met Ronnie Lott. Mrs Nacho still doesn’t care; she’s busy asking the attendant if they have large sized vomit bags.
We land in Seattle and on Monday I’m back at work telling people I met Ronnie Lott. UW won the Pac12 and is going to the playoffs.
Later that day, I see a picture online of Seattle area sports legends ringing the bell for the Salvation Army and the caption says “Warren Moon is one of many sports legends…”
I think to myself, damn Warren Moon looks just like Ronnie Lott, he’s even wearing the same shoes…
Yup, I thought Warren Moon was Ronnie Lott.
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AGREE.
You get pro bowl credit if 5 players better than you got hurt and as the 6th you got called up.
Which is why my primary for comparison is All-Pro voting. Those are the real relevant ones. The pro bowl counting is more of an FYI. In the olden times it meant more.
