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Okay, the Russo-Ukrainian Separatists are Fucking Hilarious

AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
edited July 2014 in Tug Tavern
Why would they admit this?

One of the leaders of the pro-Russian separatists admitted on Wednesday that a rebel group did have the anti-aircraft missiles that the US believes was used to shoot down flight MH17 and suggested that the missiles have since been sent back to Russia.

In comments that came close to an admission of guilt, Alexander Khodakovsky also said that the Ukrainian government had “provoked” the crash because it flew fighter jets near to the missile system.

Asked about responsibility for the plane crash, he said: “The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology.” He added: “It [Ukraine] not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians.”


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/26fe789c-126e-11e4-a581-00144feabdc0.html#axzz38Kagqky2

The separatists deserve to lose, because they are fucking idiots.

And this, the Russkis are out of the closet in terms of giving them sophisticated weaponry. Also, fuck the Financial Times because they put a snarky little message in your clipboard when you cut-and-paste.

Though barely a week has passed since MH17 was shot out of the sky over Eastern Ukraine, an aggressive anti-aircraft campaign is still in full swing above the territories controlled by pro-Russian separatists.

On Wednesday, Ukraine’s defence ministry said two Su-25 fighters had been blown up by surface-to-air missiles, bringing the count of downed planes, not including MH17, to 14. The incident underscores a stark truth for the international community: the separatist insurgency is armed with an arsenal of growing size and sophistication. The question is: where has it come from?

When rebel brigades and units of Cossack volunteers sprouted in Crimea and eastern Ukraine this year, Russian president Vladimir Putin shrugged off questions about the source of their arms. Shops, he suggested.

But tanks cannot be bought in shops. Nor can anti-aircraft missile batteries of the kind that probably blew Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 out of the sky last week.

Dozens of online images – several of them with location tags in rebel territory and checked by the Financial Times with imaging software to ensure they are recent – confirm large amounts of such equipment now in rebel hands and in use in the fighting in eastern Ukraine.

The Kremlin has repeatedly denied providing arms to the separatists and using undercover operatives on the ground. But western intelligence chiefs say they have little doubt about the origin of the weaponry. The downing of MH17 was achieved, they allege, with sophisticated Russian arms and expertise as part of a smuggling programme directed by Russian military and intelligence officials that has seen materiel moved over Ukraine’s border in ever-larger amounts in recent months as Kiev’s fightback has grown in intensity.

Among the equipment US intelligence officials believe Russia has supplied are dozens of T-64 battle tanks, Grad rocket launchers, 2S9 Nona self-propelled guns, artillery, BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles with automatic cannons, armoured troop carriers, small arms from semi-automatic weapons and mines, and sophisticated anti-aircraft systems.

“The overall strategy – that has been missed by many in the west – has been to create a proper army,” said Jonathan Eyal, international director at the Royal United Services Institute, a military and strategic think-tank. “It is not to create a guerrilla organisation. It is not a resistance movement. Russia is trying to create a proper military force.”

The numbers of weapons coming into eastern Ukraine – and their capabilities – appear to be anything but small. In the months before the downing of MH17, Russian armament supplies amounted to dozens of vehicles in any given week, according to a Nato intelligence briefing.

The weekend before the Malaysian airliner was shot down, killing the 298 people on board, US intelligence officials said they detected a convoy of “up to 150 vehicles” crossing the border to separatist positions.

“Most of Ukraine’s border controls have simply melted away,” said Mr Eyal. “Russia has been transporting weapons across on the back of trucks as if it was in the middle of Russia.”


Against such a backdrop, the US is releasing few details however. Satellite images released by the US and Nato allies have been commissioned from private sector companies, so as not to give away details of high-resolution imaging and tracking capabilities.

In private, officials are less guarded. “There is a stealth war being waged,” said one senior Nato official. “Russia is covertly arming the rebels en masse to specifically make these ambiguous attacks possible. And it is accelerating.”

Such is the flood of weaponry that anti-Kiev forces have a shortage of skilled technicians, drivers and engineers to operate it. In Lugansk and Donetsk last month, they distributed leaflets looking for tank drivers.

Some of the equipment in use has been captured from Ukrainian forces. Eastern Ukraine is the centre of the country’s large armaments industry and some Ukraine military installations and arms caches have been over-run.

But such an explanation only accounts for a small number of arms, military experts say.

In addition, the markings on the tanks and armoured vehicles pictured in use by the rebels across social media are not consistent with those of the Ukrainian military.

Most are not marked at all – echoing the sudden appearance of unmarked vehicles in Crimea before Russia annexed the territory this year.

Much of the equipment also tallies with models known to be part of Russia’s mothballed armoury of weapons. Russia has 2,000 spare T-64 tanks, for example, which have officially been earmarked for destruction – part of an 18,000 tank stockpile of equipment phased out in recent military reforms.

On June 27, Ukrainian forces, after over-running a rebel position near Artemivsk, captured a T-64BV battle tank, and with it, documentation. The serial numbering of the tank shows it was manufactured in Kharkov Tank Factory in 1987, Ukrainian military officials said, and was stationed in the Russian city of Budenovskiy with Russia’s 205th infantry brigade until being recently taken out of service. The tank had been fitted with batteries and other parts recently made in St Petersburg, they added.

The means by which such equipment has reached rebel hands is less clearly documented but there is circumstantial evidence.

Satellite imagery compiled by Nato intelligence services seems to show defunct Russian military equipment being shipped to Ukraine in convoys.

Snizhne – the town from where Ukraine’s security service, the SBU, believes MH17 was shot down – is one of the first stopping points on what Nato intelligence officials say is one of the main routes for illicit arms into the country from Russia.

Nato images from late June, for example, show T-64 tanks being loaded on to transporters in Novocherkassk, about 50km from the Dolzhansky border crossing southeast of Snizhne, in what it has identified as a base – a previously little-used military site – for a logistical campaign to get heavy arms into Donetsk and Luhansk.

The questions that remain unanswered, however, concern exactly who is controlling such an operation.

So far, Moscow has denied strenuously that it has supplied the anti-Kiev insurgents with weaponry. But the Kremlin has also skirted proposals for international observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe to be sent to border crossings.

“Obviously, you can’t just hand over these weapons systems without authorisation from high up,” said Keir Giles, a Russia expert and director of the Conflict Studies Research Centre at Chatham House in London. “There has to be significant military and intelligence authority to make this happen. Nobody is going to be doing this without authority from an extremely high level.”


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  • biak1biak1 Member Posts: 4,219
    AZDuck said:

    Why would they admit this?

    One of the leaders of the pro-Russian separatists admitted on Wednesday that a rebel group did have the anti-aircraft missiles that the US believes was used to shoot down flight MH17 and suggested that the missiles have since been sent back to Russia.

    In comments that came close to an admission of guilt, Alexander Khodakovsky also said that the Ukrainian government had “provoked” the crash because it flew fighter jets near to the missile system.

    Asked about responsibility for the plane crash, he said: “The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology.” He added: “It [Ukraine] not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians.”

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/26fe789c-126e-11e4-a581-00144feabdc0.html#axzz38Kagqky2

    The separatists deserve to lose, because they are fucking idiots.

    And this, the Russkis are out of the closet in terms of giving them sophisticated weaponry. Also, fuck the Financial Times because they put a snarky little message in your clipboard when you cut-and-paste.

    Though barely a week has passed since MH17 was shot out of the sky over Eastern Ukraine, an aggressive anti-aircraft campaign is still in full swing above the territories controlled by pro-Russian separatists.

    On Wednesday, Ukraine’s defence ministry said two Su-25 fighters had been blown up by surface-to-air missiles, bringing the count of downed planes, not including MH17, to 14. The incident underscores a stark truth for the international community: the separatist insurgency is armed with an arsenal of growing size and sophistication. The question is: where has it come from?

    When rebel brigades and units of Cossack volunteers sprouted in Crimea and eastern Ukraine this year, Russian president Vladimir Putin shrugged off questions about the source of their arms. Shops, he suggested.

    But tanks cannot be bought in shops. Nor can anti-aircraft missile batteries of the kind that probably blew Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 out of the sky last week.

    Dozens of online images – several of them with location tags in rebel territory and checked by the Financial Times with imaging software to ensure they are recent – confirm large amounts of such equipment now in rebel hands and in use in the fighting in eastern Ukraine.

    The Kremlin has repeatedly denied providing arms to the separatists and using undercover operatives on the ground. But western intelligence chiefs say they have little doubt about the origin of the weaponry. The downing of MH17 was achieved, they allege, with sophisticated Russian arms and expertise as part of a smuggling programme directed by Russian military and intelligence officials that has seen materiel moved over Ukraine’s border in ever-larger amounts in recent months as Kiev’s fightback has grown in intensity.

    Among the equipment US intelligence officials believe Russia has supplied are dozens of T-64 battle tanks, Grad rocket launchers, 2S9 Nona self-propelled guns, artillery, BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles with automatic cannons, armoured troop carriers, small arms from semi-automatic weapons and mines, and sophisticated anti-aircraft systems.

    “The overall strategy – that has been missed by many in the west – has been to create a proper army,” said Jonathan Eyal, international director at the Royal United Services Institute, a military and strategic think-tank. “It is not to create a guerrilla organisation. It is not a resistance movement. Russia is trying to create a proper military force.”

    The numbers of weapons coming into eastern Ukraine – and their capabilities – appear to be anything but small. In the months before the downing of MH17, Russian armament supplies amounted to dozens of vehicles in any given week, according to a Nato intelligence briefing.

    The weekend before the Malaysian airliner was shot down, killing the 298 people on board, US intelligence officials said they detected a convoy of “up to 150 vehicles” crossing the border to separatist positions.

    “Most of Ukraine’s border controls have simply melted away,” said Mr Eyal. “Russia has been transporting weapons across on the back of trucks as if it was in the middle of Russia.”


    Against such a backdrop, the US is releasing few details however. Satellite images released by the US and Nato allies have been commissioned from private sector companies, so as not to give away details of high-resolution imaging and tracking capabilities.

    In private, officials are less guarded. “There is a stealth war being waged,” said one senior Nato official. “Russia is covertly arming the rebels en masse to specifically make these ambiguous attacks possible. And it is accelerating.”

    Such is the flood of weaponry that anti-Kiev forces have a shortage of skilled technicians, drivers and engineers to operate it. In Lugansk and Donetsk last month, they distributed leaflets looking for tank drivers.

    Some of the equipment in use has been captured from Ukrainian forces. Eastern Ukraine is the centre of the country’s large armaments industry and some Ukraine military installations and arms caches have been over-run.

    But such an explanation only accounts for a small number of arms, military experts say.

    In addition, the markings on the tanks and armoured vehicles pictured in use by the rebels across social media are not consistent with those of the Ukrainian military.

    Most are not marked at all – echoing the sudden appearance of unmarked vehicles in Crimea before Russia annexed the territory this year.

    Much of the equipment also tallies with models known to be part of Russia’s mothballed armoury of weapons. Russia has 2,000 spare T-64 tanks, for example, which have officially been earmarked for destruction – part of an 18,000 tank stockpile of equipment phased out in recent military reforms.

    On June 27, Ukrainian forces, after over-running a rebel position near Artemivsk, captured a T-64BV battle tank, and with it, documentation. The serial numbering of the tank shows it was manufactured in Kharkov Tank Factory in 1987, Ukrainian military officials said, and was stationed in the Russian city of Budenovskiy with Russia’s 205th infantry brigade until being recently taken out of service. The tank had been fitted with batteries and other parts recently made in St Petersburg, they added.

    The means by which such equipment has reached rebel hands is less clearly documented but there is circumstantial evidence.

    Satellite imagery compiled by Nato intelligence services seems to show defunct Russian military equipment being shipped to Ukraine in convoys.

    Snizhne – the town from where Ukraine’s security service, the SBU, believes MH17 was shot down – is one of the first stopping points on what Nato intelligence officials say is one of the main routes for illicit arms into the country from Russia.

    Nato images from late June, for example, show T-64 tanks being loaded on to transporters in Novocherkassk, about 50km from the Dolzhansky border crossing southeast of Snizhne, in what it has identified as a base – a previously little-used military site – for a logistical campaign to get heavy arms into Donetsk and Luhansk.

    The questions that remain unanswered, however, concern exactly who is controlling such an operation.

    So far, Moscow has denied strenuously that it has supplied the anti-Kiev insurgents with weaponry. But the Kremlin has also skirted proposals for international observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe to be sent to border crossings.

    “Obviously, you can’t just hand over these weapons systems without authorisation from high up,” said Keir Giles, a Russia expert and director of the Conflict Studies Research Centre at Chatham House in London. “There has to be significant military and intelligence authority to make this happen. Nobody is going to be doing this without authority from an extremely high level.”


    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/cf7983d4-10d6-11e4-812b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz38Kagqky2

    Disagree.

    Wrong board fuckhead.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    edited July 2014
    hmmm... still unclear... Is Peterman recruiting Russian separatists or not?
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,314 Founders Club
    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510

    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    AZDuck said:

    Why would they admit this?

    One of the leaders of the pro-Russian separatists admitted on Wednesday that a rebel group did have the anti-aircraft missiles that the US believes was used to shoot down flight MH17 and suggested that the missiles have since been sent back to Russia.

    In comments that came close to an admission of guilt, Alexander Khodakovsky also said that the Ukrainian government had “provoked” the crash because it flew fighter jets near to the missile system.

    Asked about responsibility for the plane crash, he said: “The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology.” He added: “It [Ukraine] not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians.”

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/26fe789c-126e-11e4-a581-00144feabdc0.html#axzz38Kagqky2

    The separatists deserve to lose, because they are fucking idiots.

    And this, the Russkis are out of the closet in terms of giving them sophisticated weaponry. Also, fuck the Financial Times because they put a snarky little message in your clipboard when you cut-and-paste.

    Though barely a week has passed since MH17 was shot out of the sky over Eastern Ukraine, an aggressive anti-aircraft campaign is still in full swing above the territories controlled by pro-Russian separatists.

    On Wednesday, Ukraine’s defence ministry said two Su-25 fighters had been blown up by surface-to-air missiles, bringing the count of downed planes, not including MH17, to 14. The incident underscores a stark truth for the international community: the separatist insurgency is armed with an arsenal of growing size and sophistication. The question is: where has it come from?

    When rebel brigades and units of Cossack volunteers sprouted in Crimea and eastern Ukraine this year, Russian president Vladimir Putin shrugged off questions about the source of their arms. Shops, he suggested.

    But tanks cannot be bought in shops. Nor can anti-aircraft missile batteries of the kind that probably blew Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 out of the sky last week.

    Dozens of online images – several of them with location tags in rebel territory and checked by the Financial Times with imaging software to ensure they are recent – confirm large amounts of such equipment now in rebel hands and in use in the fighting in eastern Ukraine.

    The Kremlin has repeatedly denied providing arms to the separatists and using undercover operatives on the ground. But western intelligence chiefs say they have little doubt about the origin of the weaponry. The downing of MH17 was achieved, they allege, with sophisticated Russian arms and expertise as part of a smuggling programme directed by Russian military and intelligence officials that has seen materiel moved over Ukraine’s border in ever-larger amounts in recent months as Kiev’s fightback has grown in intensity.

    Among the equipment US intelligence officials believe Russia has supplied are dozens of T-64 battle tanks, Grad rocket launchers, 2S9 Nona self-propelled guns, artillery, BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles with automatic cannons, armoured troop carriers, small arms from semi-automatic weapons and mines, and sophisticated anti-aircraft systems.

    “The overall strategy – that has been missed by many in the west – has been to create a proper army,” said Jonathan Eyal, international director at the Royal United Services Institute, a military and strategic think-tank. “It is not to create a guerrilla organisation. It is not a resistance movement. Russia is trying to create a proper military force.”

    The numbers of weapons coming into eastern Ukraine – and their capabilities – appear to be anything but small. In the months before the downing of MH17, Russian armament supplies amounted to dozens of vehicles in any given week, according to a Nato intelligence briefing.

    The weekend before the Malaysian airliner was shot down, killing the 298 people on board, US intelligence officials said they detected a convoy of “up to 150 vehicles” crossing the border to separatist positions.

    “Most of Ukraine’s border controls have simply melted away,” said Mr Eyal. “Russia has been transporting weapons across on the back of trucks as if it was in the middle of Russia.”


    Against such a backdrop, the US is releasing few details however. Satellite images released by the US and Nato allies have been commissioned from private sector companies, so as not to give away details of high-resolution imaging and tracking capabilities.

    In private, officials are less guarded. “There is a stealth war being waged,” said one senior Nato official. “Russia is covertly arming the rebels en masse to specifically make these ambiguous attacks possible. And it is accelerating.”

    Such is the flood of weaponry that anti-Kiev forces have a shortage of skilled technicians, drivers and engineers to operate it. In Lugansk and Donetsk last month, they distributed leaflets looking for tank drivers.

    Some of the equipment in use has been captured from Ukrainian forces. Eastern Ukraine is the centre of the country’s large armaments industry and some Ukraine military installations and arms caches have been over-run.

    But such an explanation only accounts for a small number of arms, military experts say.

    In addition, the markings on the tanks and armoured vehicles pictured in use by the rebels across social media are not consistent with those of the Ukrainian military.

    Most are not marked at all – echoing the sudden appearance of unmarked vehicles in Crimea before Russia annexed the territory this year.

    Much of the equipment also tallies with models known to be part of Russia’s mothballed armoury of weapons. Russia has 2,000 spare T-64 tanks, for example, which have officially been earmarked for destruction – part of an 18,000 tank stockpile of equipment phased out in recent military reforms.

    On June 27, Ukrainian forces, after over-running a rebel position near Artemivsk, captured a T-64BV battle tank, and with it, documentation. The serial numbering of the tank shows it was manufactured in Kharkov Tank Factory in 1987, Ukrainian military officials said, and was stationed in the Russian city of Budenovskiy with Russia’s 205th infantry brigade until being recently taken out of service. The tank had been fitted with batteries and other parts recently made in St Petersburg, they added.

    The means by which such equipment has reached rebel hands is less clearly documented but there is circumstantial evidence.

    Satellite imagery compiled by Nato intelligence services seems to show defunct Russian military equipment being shipped to Ukraine in convoys.

    Snizhne – the town from where Ukraine’s security service, the SBU, believes MH17 was shot down – is one of the first stopping points on what Nato intelligence officials say is one of the main routes for illicit arms into the country from Russia.

    Nato images from late June, for example, show T-64 tanks being loaded on to transporters in Novocherkassk, about 50km from the Dolzhansky border crossing southeast of Snizhne, in what it has identified as a base – a previously little-used military site – for a logistical campaign to get heavy arms into Donetsk and Luhansk.

    The questions that remain unanswered, however, concern exactly who is controlling such an operation.

    So far, Moscow has denied strenuously that it has supplied the anti-Kiev insurgents with weaponry. But the Kremlin has also skirted proposals for international observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe to be sent to border crossings.

    “Obviously, you can’t just hand over these weapons systems without authorisation from high up,” said Keir Giles, a Russia expert and director of the Conflict Studies Research Centre at Chatham House in London. “There has to be significant military and intelligence authority to make this happen. Nobody is going to be doing this without authority from an extremely high level.”


    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/cf7983d4-10d6-11e4-812b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz38Kagqky2


    Disagree
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2014
    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    If you don't think Obama's foreign policy is completely fucked up, you're an idiot that can't be helped.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    He killed OSAMA with his BARE HANDS and he's better than BUSH!!!!!1!!!!1
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

    As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    OZONE said:

    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

    As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.
    His idiocy in Iraq will likely have us going back for another war in the future now that an actual terrorist state exists there. That is completely on him. HTFH.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,789
    OZONE said:

    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

    As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.


    HRYK. I don't see any other presidents running around with these.

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  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    edited July 2014
    OZONE said:

    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

    As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.
    We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

    Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2014
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2014
    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

    As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.
    We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

    Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.
    Ozone's silence in this thread after your poast speaks volumes. He doesn't have shit for a response. Also, what has Obama done domestically that hasn't been a horrendous failure that negatively affects most Americans? I'm sure he doesn't have shit to say about that either.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    edited July 2014

    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    Swaye said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:



    topdawgnc said:

    Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

    This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.
    Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

    If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.
    You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.
    Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.
    What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?
    You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

    As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.
    We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

    Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.
    Ozone's silence in this thread after your poast speaks volumes. He doesn't have shit for a response. Also, what has Obama done domestically that hasn't been a horrendous failure that negatively affects most Americans? I'm sure he doesn't have shit to say about that either.
    Some liberals actually think ObamaCare is good legislation. Idiots.
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