WSU, OSU File Emergency Restraining Order vs P12
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For me personally it started in 2022 where immediately after USC and UCLA declare for the B1G WSU is trying to lobby Olympia to tie UW to them.Kaepsknee said:Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
After that there is nothing in it for UW to not work against them and they should try to cripple them to the point of not being able to affect UW in any way, shape, or form.
I agree with a lot of cuogs nowadays in just killing the Apple Cup. Especially if it still has to be home and home or it is played in the NFL stadium. As it is nobody wants to go to Pullman and deal with the lodging situation unless they live in Central/Eastern WA. 2017 Apple Cup was maybe the most pathetic turnout I've ever seen for a top 12 team playing a team with the division on the line.
It's best that UW moves on to focusing on the B1G and WSU moves on to competing with Oregon State to supplant Boise/Fresno as west coast G5 powers.
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Yeah the courts will care about that.Tequilla said:
Cash vs Accrual Accounting is the shitBob_C said:
Hot accounting talk.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker
Apparently the courts care about that stuff as well
Any cash on hand will need to be used for severance packages, lease buyouts, legal fees, etc. There's zero scenarios where there's a big pile of cash that is free and clear. -
It would be very unlikelyBob_C said:
Yeah the courts will care about that.Tequilla said:
Cash vs Accrual Accounting is the shitBob_C said:
Hot accounting talk.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker
Apparently the courts care about that stuff as well
Any cash on hand will need to be used for severance packages, lease buyouts, legal fees, etc. There's zero scenarios where there's a big pile of cash that is free and clear.
There’s also the cash and the hard assets … the network assets in theory have value IF you can sell them … value is most likely at a huge discount due to limited buyers -
"We're going to be splitting 70 million with the Beavs! LOL should have checked the fine print losers!" is one of the dumbest fucking things I've read on Twitter in a really long time.Tequilla said:
It would be very unlikelyBob_C said:
Yeah the courts will care about that.Tequilla said:
Cash vs Accrual Accounting is the shitBob_C said:
Hot accounting talk.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker
Apparently the courts care about that stuff as well
Any cash on hand will need to be used for severance packages, lease buyouts, legal fees, etc. There's zero scenarios where there's a big pile of cash that is free and clear.
There’s also the cash and the hard assets … the network assets in theory have value IF you can sell them … value is most likely at a huge discount due to limited buyers -
You don’t read what you writehaie said:
"We're going to be splitting 70 million with the Beavs! LOL should have checked the fine print losers!" is one of the dumbest fucking things I've read on Twitter in a really long time.Tequilla said:
It would be very unlikelyBob_C said:
Yeah the courts will care about that.Tequilla said:
Cash vs Accrual Accounting is the shitBob_C said:
Hot accounting talk.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker
Apparently the courts care about that stuff as well
Any cash on hand will need to be used for severance packages, lease buyouts, legal fees, etc. There's zero scenarios where there's a big pile of cash that is free and clear.
There’s also the cash and the hard assets … the network assets in theory have value IF you can sell them … value is most likely at a huge discount due to limited buyers
Hardy Har Har -
NTD, BBBob_C said:
Hot accounting talk.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker -
i am sure comcast's legal team is beyond scared knowing they may have to go up against cuog/boov/george k in court.Kaepsknee said:2023 revenue isn’t in play. It’s all about 08/01/2024 and after.
Keeping the conference alive is window dressing. That won’t happen. All we are trying to do is get transparency on the revenue and liabilities and enforce the conference by-laws.
We? aren’t coming after anyone. Other than the Conference, which you have one foot out the door of anyway, and it’s Commissioner? We aren’t seeking any damages against the other 10 schools or the Networks.
With that said, we will say Fuck you to Comcast on excess revenues paid to the Conference over the years until they go after the other 10 schools that received that revenue as well. This is the part that is Hazy with no precedent. -
What part of USC and UCLA not being allowed in any board decisions since their announcement to leave is escaping you? You have jumped around like a Mexican bean on this issue since it has arisen. Just sit the fuck down and LIPO. Because it’s clear that your contribution so far is to simply keep your thumbs limber.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker
Like most threads. -
Appeals are a mutherfuckah.rodmansrage said:
i am sure comcast's legal team is beyond scared knowing they may have to go up against cuog/boov/george k in court.Kaepsknee said:2023 revenue isn’t in play. It’s all about 08/01/2024 and after.
Keeping the conference alive is window dressing. That won’t happen. All we are trying to do is get transparency on the revenue and liabilities and enforce the conference by-laws.
We? aren’t coming after anyone. Other than the Conference, which you have one foot out the door of anyway, and it’s Commissioner? We aren’t seeking any damages against the other 10 schools or the Networks.
With that said, we will say Fuck you to Comcast on excess revenues paid to the Conference over the years until they go after the other 10 schools that received that revenue as well. This is the part that is Hazy with no precedent.
In fact, If we? don’t get what we want, we could appeal this whole muthafuckah out to 08/01/2024.
Of course that won’t be necessary as the by laws and precedent are all ours? -
And what meetings since have been tied to anything other than media or expansion?Kaepsknee said:
What part of USC and UCLA not being allowed in any board decisions since their announcement to leave is escaping you? You have jumped around like a Mexican bean on this issue since it has arisen. Just sit the fuck down and LIPO. Because it’s clear that your contribution so far is to simply keep your thumbs limber.Tequilla said:
The P12 “revenues” available after 8/1/24 aren’t really revenues … they are cash flowsKaepsknee said:
There are tens of Millions of assets and revenues available after 08/01/24.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:There is no cash flow opportunity available after the 2023 swan song season…
College football playoff media partners will not be bound going forward with auto playoff berths, bowl rights for a conference whose valuation rights no longer exist… no court would hear a case otherwise, their is no ongoing value to the pac 12 name except dumpster fire t shirt rights.
The only potentially valid point of a suit would be to equitably divide the remains of assets and liabilities as would happen with any no longer doing business concern… and I assume that will be the procedural outcome, anything else would be overturned in a heartbeat and that is legally obvious.
Torts for damages ain’t happening, revenge awards are reserved for divorce court and this conference dissolved with obvious and legal cause for each of the entities that are leaving
And there are no calls for tort damages.
All we want to do is see what the assets, revenues and liabilities look like after 08/01/2024. It’s simple really. That’s why a lawyer that does business on Riverside in Spokane was used for this.
The Conference by laws are clear. And have recent precedent. It’s not complicated.
If it looks like it isn’t worth it for the Cougs and Beavs to remain past 08/01/2024, they will move on.
Other than further Schadenfreude, I’m not sure why anyone not a Coug or Beav would care or oppose, if they actually read the court documents.
From a revenue perspective they will have been earned and accrued prior to 8/1/24 … the timing of the payments should have little to no difference on the ultimate distributions
The Bylaws frankly are anything but clear in that a lot of what is taking place is at best partially addressed … it is very clear that at least from a Bylaw perspective there was no clear anticipation or expectation of the conference falling apart (a major mistake for all)
When items are not particularly well defined it isn’t uncommon for the default position to fall back into what is ordinary and customary
It’s not hard to position possible settlements that take the Cougs/Beavs at their word and then find out that they aren’t interested in that
Actions vs Words is a real motherfucker
Like most threads.
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