Jesus. So you agree with most of this but still miss the point and still didn't watch the video.
Heroin isn't "in the shadows" and it is very easy to get.
The cyanide pill argument is a strawman, but assisted suicide is legal in many places. And making suicide illegal by any means prevents no one from doing it.
Good day sir.
I just watched the video. This debate isn't over. He makes many valid points, one of which is that legalizing these substances will produce more addicts. It will be easier to obtain and easier for children to get into it and become lifelong addicts. It will reduce the power of cartels and criminals, true. But it will only shift that power to the government, which will in effect become the cartel and the recipient of tax money generated by the sale of heroin, cocaine, etc. The government will then have an incentive to promote the use of destructive substances, and it will have a stake in getting people addicted young because it generates a new revenue flow for them. The government should not be in the business of telling us what we should do or not do to ourselves as long as we aren't harming other individuals. But it should also not be in the business of profiting from the sale of harmful substances. Even if they manage to regulate it so that it is 'safer,' it won't change the fact that it's highly addicting. Of course some people will latch onto this and say "then the government shouldn't be in the business of profiting from cupcake sales either, since sugar and sweets are addicting." That's a logical argument, but where does it end? Will lines be so blurred that safe heroin will be treated no differently that sugary cupcakes?
You say heroin is easy to get. Maybe in slums like Seattle. I don't know where to find it. But I sure as fuck would know where to find it if I could buy it at the local Safeway.
You're all over the map and full of contradictions. Spend a bit more time on this and maybe we can have a decent and informed conversation.
No such thing as free pussy man. At least hookers are up front about it. They could be a lot safer if it was legal, too. Have you been to Amsterdam?
I've been to Amsterdam. It's a kick ass city. If you go there get yourself a slice of spacecake and wander around without a map for a few hours. It's a trip. But making a hooker legal won't make her any less diseased. If anything it would be more likely she's infected with something, since more sex fiends would be having sex with her than if she was out on the streets hooking in the slums.
Jesus. So you agree with most of this but still miss the point and still didn't watch the video.
Heroin isn't "in the shadows" and it is very easy to get.
The cyanide pill argument is a strawman, but assisted suicide is legal in many places. And making suicide illegal by any means prevents no one from doing it.
Good day sir.
I just watched the video. This debate isn't over. He makes many valid points, one of which is that legalizing these substances will produce more addicts. It will be easier to obtain and easier for children to get into it and become lifelong addicts. It will reduce the power of cartels and criminals, true. But it will only shift that power to the government, which will in effect become the cartel and the recipient of tax money generated by the sale of heroin, cocaine, etc. The government will then have an incentive to promote the use of destructive substances, and it will have a stake in getting people addicted young because it generates a new revenue flow for them. The government should not be in the business of telling us what we should do or not do to ourselves as long as we aren't harming other individuals. But it should also not be in the business of profiting from the sale of harmful substances. Even if they manage to regulate it so that it is 'safer,' it won't change the fact that it's highly addicting. Of course some people will latch onto this and say "then the government shouldn't be in the business of profiting from cupcake sales either, since sugar and sweets are addicting." That's a logical argument, but where does it end? Will lines be so blurred that safe heroin will be treated no differently that sugary cupcakes?
You say heroin is easy to get. Maybe in slums like Seattle. I don't know where to find it. But I sure as fuck would know where to find it if I could buy it at the local Safeway.
You're all over the map and full of contradictions. Spend a bit more time on this and maybe we can have a decent and informed conversation.
I understand. I wouldn't make a counterattack either when I'm running low on ammunition. Retreating under the guise of superiority is a good move. Anyway it'd be kind of hard to defend the position that the government should be profiting from heroin sales.
Jesus. So you agree with most of this but still miss the point and still didn't watch the video.
Heroin isn't "in the shadows" and it is very easy to get.
The cyanide pill argument is a strawman, but assisted suicide is legal in many places. And making suicide illegal by any means prevents no one from doing it.
Good day sir.
I just watched the video. This debate isn't over. He makes many valid points, one of which is that legalizing these substances will produce more addicts. It will be easier to obtain and easier for children to get into it and become lifelong addicts. It will reduce the power of cartels and criminals, true. But it will only shift that power to the government, which will in effect become the cartel and the recipient of tax money generated by the sale of heroin, cocaine, etc. The government will then have an incentive to promote the use of destructive substances, and it will have a stake in getting people addicted young because it generates a new revenue flow for them. The government should not be in the business of telling us what we should do or not do to ourselves as long as we aren't harming other individuals. But it should also not be in the business of profiting from the sale of harmful substances. Even if they manage to regulate it so that it is 'safer,' it won't change the fact that it's highly addicting. Of course some people will latch onto this and say "then the government shouldn't be in the business of profiting from cupcake sales either, since sugar and sweets are addicting." That's a logical argument, but where does it end? Will lines be so blurred that safe heroin will be treated no differently that sugary cupcakes?
You say heroin is easy to get. Maybe in slums like Seattle. I don't know where to find it. But I sure as fuck would know where to find it if I could buy it at the local Safeway.
You're all over the map and full of contradictions. Spend a bit more time on this and maybe we can have a decent and informed conversation.
I understand. I wouldn't make a counterattack either when I'm running low on ammunition. Retreating under the guise of superiority is a good move. Anyway it'd be kind of hard to defend the position that the government should be profiting from heroin sales.
When did I say the government should profit from heroin sales. I said it should be legal. You automatically make the leap that the government needs to be involved. Look at the marijuana thread. I'm consistent in my comments regarding taxation. The failed war on drugs has left far more damage in its wake than drugs themselves could ever do. The damage has been immense and the resources wasted vast.
And if you think legal prostitution increases stds then you clearly haven't done your homework. I'd love to see your stats on that. It's legal in many parts of the developed world so you should be able to provide a lot of data showing disease and prostitution going hand in hand. Look at how it's done and the results in places like Australia and Canada.
Person freedom, choice, and liberty is what all this comes down to. I always find conservatives to be caricatures of themselves. They want less government expect whether want it use the force of government to control people and shove their beliefs on others.
Why not let people buy and sell sex between consenting adults? Well, it would help spread more disease first of all. By bringing the practice out of the shadows and into the open more people would engage in it. And you can't just say it's an issue of personal freedom and liberty. Some of the bastards that get infected will then go home and sleep with their wives/girlfriends and either willfully infect them or do so without knowing they've got an STD. Also it's just plain fucking wrong it would make us look like even more of a degenerate society. As far as legalizing cocaine and heroin, are you insane? HEROIN?
Did you squeal in a high pitch when you typed that?
The rest of that post is such drivel I could hardly stand to read it. Go have kids if you want to babysit someone, asshole.
Just so you are aware, blitzkrieg - Damone is owning you real bad right now.
Even With that ringing endorsement, I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on that verdict.
If you want to make drugs and prostitution legal, you need to be prepared for a lot of pain over the next decade plus due to high addiction rates and the cartel's shift to human trafficking. You're basically just shifting from a Correction state to a Rehab state at the government level in regards to drugs . And we don't have even close to the infrastructure to support that. Unless your position is to just let society and the "market" deal with all of the new crank and heroin addicts on the streets and the acts that they would be committing to get their next fix.
Again with legal prostitution, the cartel's would simply focus more on human trafficking. Also As we've seen with legal weed in WA, the cost is double what you can get it on the street for. So letting the gov't tax and regulate isn't a good option either. That wouldn't put the cartels out of the drug business at all. Eventually it would lower their profit margins. But they'd make it up on volume.
I do agree that all Gov't's should legalize weed in the US for adults. I don't agree that any gov't entities should be taxing and regulating it however. Their position that it makes it safer for the end user is complete BS and a cash grab.. A friggin retard can tell what's safe weed and what's not.
Just so you are aware, blitzkrieg - Damone is owning you real bad right now.
Even With that ringing endorsement, I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on that verdict.
If you want to make drugs and prostitution legal, you need to be prepared for a lot of pain over the next decade plus due to high addiction rates and the cartel's shift to human trafficking. You're basically just shifting from a Correction state to a Rehab state at the government level in regards to drugs . And we don't have even close to the infrastructure to support that. Unless your position is to just let society and the "market" deal with all of the new crank and heroin addicts on the streets and the acts that they would be committing to get their next fix.
Again with legal prostitution, the cartel's would simply focus more on human trafficking. Also As we've seen with legal weed in WA, the cost is double what you can get it on the street for. So letting the gov't tax and regulate isn't a good option either. That wouldn't put the cartels out of the drug business at all. Eventually it would lower their profit margins. But they'd make it up on volume.
I do agree that all Gov't's should legalize weed in the US for adults. I don't agree that any gov't entities should be taxing and regulating it however. Their position that it makes it safer for the end user is complete BS and a cash grab.. A friggin retard can tell what's safe weed and what's not.
I was going to argue - then I remembered you're a Cooger so everyone knows you're wrong already.
Why not let people buy and sell sex between consenting adults? Well, it would help spread more disease first of all. By bringing the practice out of the shadows and into the open more people would engage in it. And you can't just say it's an issue of personal freedom and liberty. Some of the bastards that get infected will then go home and sleep with their wives/girlfriends and either willfully infect them or do so without knowing they've got an STD. Also it's just plain fucking wrong it would make us look like even more of a degenerate society. As far as legalizing cocaine and heroin, are you insane? HEROIN?
Did you squeal in a high pitch when you typed that?
The rest of that post is such drivel I could hardly stand to read it. Go have kids if you want to babysit someone, asshole.
Crippled dogs in the peanut gallery should stay on the sidelines and let their owners pet them.
Jesus. So you agree with most of this but still miss the point and still didn't watch the video.
Heroin isn't "in the shadows" and it is very easy to get.
The cyanide pill argument is a strawman, but assisted suicide is legal in many places. And making suicide illegal by any means prevents no one from doing it.
Good day sir.
I just watched the video. This debate isn't over. He makes many valid points, one of which is that legalizing these substances will produce more addicts. It will be easier to obtain and easier for children to get into it and become lifelong addicts. It will reduce the power of cartels and criminals, true. But it will only shift that power to the government, which will in effect become the cartel and the recipient of tax money generated by the sale of heroin, cocaine, etc. The government will then have an incentive to promote the use of destructive substances, and it will have a stake in getting people addicted young because it generates a new revenue flow for them. The government should not be in the business of telling us what we should do or not do to ourselves as long as we aren't harming other individuals. But it should also not be in the business of profiting from the sale of harmful substances. Even if they manage to regulate it so that it is 'safer,' it won't change the fact that it's highly addicting. Of course some people will latch onto this and say "then the government shouldn't be in the business of profiting from cupcake sales either, since sugar and sweets are addicting." That's a logical argument, but where does it end? Will lines be so blurred that safe heroin will be treated no differently that sugary cupcakes?
You say heroin is easy to get. Maybe in slums like Seattle. I don't know where to find it. But I sure as fuck would know where to find it if I could buy it at the local Safeway.
You're all over the map and full of contradictions. Spend a bit more time on this and maybe we can have a decent and informed conversation.
I understand. I wouldn't make a counterattack either when I'm running low on ammunition. Retreating under the guise of superiority is a good move. Anyway it'd be kind of hard to defend the position that the government should be profiting from heroin sales.
When did I say the government should profit from heroin sales. I said it should be legal. You automatically make the leap that the government needs to be involved. Look at the marijuana thread. I'm consistent in my comments regarding taxation. The failed war on drugs has left far more damage in its wake than drugs themselves could ever do. The damage has been immense and the resources wasted vast.
And if you think legal prostitution increases stds then you clearly haven't done your homework. I'd love to see your stats on that. It's legal in many parts of the developed world so you should be able to provide a lot of data showing disease and prostitution going hand in hand. Look at how it's done and the results in places like Australia and Canada.
Person freedom, choice, and liberty is what all this comes down to. I always find conservatives to be caricatures of themselves. They want less government expect whether want it use the force of government to control people and shove their beliefs on others.
If heroin becomes legal the government will tax it, just like they do weed. No amount of arguing or reasoning on your part will change that fact. So you should just accept it as reality. That means the government will be profiting from getting us hooked on heroin and other drugs.
I'll leave the prostitution issue alone for now. But it makes sense that if its out in the open more people are going to be doing it. That hooker you're thinking about banging has been rammed by 20 more sex fiends because she's more visible. You can do the math. And if we're looking to Australia and Canada as examples of what we should become, we might as well mail it in and become a big France. Lets get more degenerate while adversaries like Russia get stronger. How did that work out for Rome?
First you say I'm a libtard now you're saying I'm a conservative. Make up your mind.
Jesus. So you agree with most of this but still miss the point and still didn't watch the video.
Heroin isn't "in the shadows" and it is very easy to get.
The cyanide pill argument is a strawman, but assisted suicide is legal in many places. And making suicide illegal by any means prevents no one from doing it.
Good day sir.
I just watched the video. This debate isn't over. He makes many valid points, one of which is that legalizing these substances will produce more addicts. It will be easier to obtain and easier for children to get into it and become lifelong addicts. It will reduce the power of cartels and criminals, true. But it will only shift that power to the government, which will in effect become the cartel and the recipient of tax money generated by the sale of heroin, cocaine, etc. The government will then have an incentive to promote the use of destructive substances, and it will have a stake in getting people addicted young because it generates a new revenue flow for them. The government should not be in the business of telling us what we should do or not do to ourselves as long as we aren't harming other individuals. But it should also not be in the business of profiting from the sale of harmful substances. Even if they manage to regulate it so that it is 'safer,' it won't change the fact that it's highly addicting. Of course some people will latch onto this and say "then the government shouldn't be in the business of profiting from cupcake sales either, since sugar and sweets are addicting." That's a logical argument, but where does it end? Will lines be so blurred that safe heroin will be treated no differently that sugary cupcakes?
You say heroin is easy to get. Maybe in slums like Seattle. I don't know where to find it. But I sure as fuck would know where to find it if I could buy it at the local Safeway.
You're all over the map and full of contradictions. Spend a bit more time on this and maybe we can have a decent and informed conversation.
I understand. I wouldn't make a counterattack either when I'm running low on ammunition. Retreating under the guise of superiority is a good move. Anyway it'd be kind of hard to defend the position that the government should be profiting from heroin sales.
When did I say the government should profit from heroin sales. I said it should be legal. You automatically make the leap that the government needs to be involved. Look at the marijuana thread. I'm consistent in my comments regarding taxation. The failed war on drugs has left far more damage in its wake than drugs themselves could ever do. The damage has been immense and the resources wasted vast.
And if you think legal prostitution increases stds then you clearly haven't done your homework. I'd love to see your stats on that. It's legal in many parts of the developed world so you should be able to provide a lot of data showing disease and prostitution going hand in hand. Look at how it's done and the results in places like Australia and Canada.
Person freedom, choice, and liberty is what all this comes down to. I always find conservatives to be caricatures of themselves. They want less government expect whether want it use the force of government to control people and shove their beliefs on others.
If heroin becomes legal the government will tax it, just like they do weed. No amount of arguing or reasoning on your part will change that fact. So you should just accept it as reality. That means the government will be profiting from getting us hooked on heroin and other drugs.
I'll leave the prostitution issue alone for now. But it makes sense that if its out in the open more people are going to be doing it. That hooker you're thinking about banging has been rammed by 20 more sex fiends because she's more visible. You can do the math. And if we're looking to Australia and Canada as examples of what we should become, we might as well mail it in and become a big France. Lets get more degenerate while adversaries like Russia get stronger. How did that work out for Rome?
First you say I'm a libtard now you're saying I'm a conservative. Make up your mind.
Truth is, you're just a fucking idiot. My mind is made up.
Jesus. So you agree with most of this but still miss the point and still didn't watch the video.
Heroin isn't "in the shadows" and it is very easy to get.
The cyanide pill argument is a strawman, but assisted suicide is legal in many places. And making suicide illegal by any means prevents no one from doing it.
Good day sir.
I just watched the video. This debate isn't over. He makes many valid points, one of which is that legalizing these substances will produce more addicts. It will be easier to obtain and easier for children to get into it and become lifelong addicts. It will reduce the power of cartels and criminals, true. But it will only shift that power to the government, which will in effect become the cartel and the recipient of tax money generated by the sale of heroin, cocaine, etc. The government will then have an incentive to promote the use of destructive substances, and it will have a stake in getting people addicted young because it generates a new revenue flow for them. The government should not be in the business of telling us what we should do or not do to ourselves as long as we aren't harming other individuals. But it should also not be in the business of profiting from the sale of harmful substances. Even if they manage to regulate it so that it is 'safer,' it won't change the fact that it's highly addicting. Of course some people will latch onto this and say "then the government shouldn't be in the business of profiting from cupcake sales either, since sugar and sweets are addicting." That's a logical argument, but where does it end? Will lines be so blurred that safe heroin will be treated no differently that sugary cupcakes?
You say heroin is easy to get. Maybe in slums like Seattle. I don't know where to find it. But I sure as fuck would know where to find it if I could buy it at the local Safeway.
You're all over the map and full of contradictions. Spend a bit more time on this and maybe we can have a decent and informed conversation.
I understand. I wouldn't make a counterattack either when I'm running low on ammunition. Retreating under the guise of superiority is a good move. Anyway it'd be kind of hard to defend the position that the government should be profiting from heroin sales.
When did I say the government should profit from heroin sales. I said it should be legal. You automatically make the leap that the government needs to be involved. Look at the marijuana thread. I'm consistent in my comments regarding taxation. The failed war on drugs has left far more damage in its wake than drugs themselves could ever do. The damage has been immense and the resources wasted vast.
And if you think legal prostitution increases stds then you clearly haven't done your homework. I'd love to see your stats on that. It's legal in many parts of the developed world so you should be able to provide a lot of data showing disease and prostitution going hand in hand. Look at how it's done and the results in places like Australia and Canada.
Person freedom, choice, and liberty is what all this comes down to. I always find conservatives to be caricatures of themselves. They want less government expect whether want it use the force of government to control people and shove their beliefs on others.
If heroin becomes legal the government will tax it, just like they do weed. No amount of arguing or reasoning on your part will change that fact. So you should just accept it as reality. That means the government will be profiting from getting us hooked on heroin and other drugs.
I'll leave the prostitution issue alone for now. But it makes sense that if its out in the open more people are going to be doing it. That hooker you're thinking about banging has been rammed by 20 more sex fiends because she's more visible. You can do the math. And if we're looking to Australia and Canada as examples of what we should become, we might as well mail it in and become a big France. Lets get more degenerate while adversaries like Russia get stronger. How did that work out for Rome?
First you say I'm a libtard now you're saying I'm a conservative. Make up your mind.
Truth is, you're just a fucking idiot. My mind is made up.
Are you still here? Shouldn't you be lubing Damone's rickshaw like a good little knave and preparing to retreat with him out of this thread when his position totally collapses?
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No such thing as free pussy man. At least hookers are up front about it. They could be a lot safer if it was legal, too. Have you been to Amsterdam?
And if you think legal prostitution increases stds then you clearly haven't done your homework. I'd love to see your stats on that. It's legal in many parts of the developed world so you should be able to provide a lot of data showing disease and prostitution going hand in hand. Look at how it's done and the results in places like Australia and Canada.
Person freedom, choice, and liberty is what all this comes down to. I always find conservatives to be caricatures of themselves. They want less government expect whether want it use the force of government to control people and shove their beliefs on others.
The rest of that post is such drivel I could hardly stand to read it. Go have kids if you want to babysit someone, asshole.
Just so you are aware, blitzkrieg - Damone is owning you real bad right now.
If you want to make drugs and prostitution legal, you need to be prepared for a lot of pain over the next decade plus due to high addiction rates and the cartel's shift to human trafficking. You're basically just shifting from a Correction state to a Rehab state at the government level in regards to drugs . And we don't have even close to the infrastructure to support that. Unless your position is to just let society and the "market" deal with all of the new crank and heroin addicts on the streets and the acts that they would be committing to get their next fix.
Again with legal prostitution, the cartel's would simply focus more on human trafficking. Also As we've seen with legal weed in WA, the cost is double what you can get it on the street for. So letting the gov't tax and regulate isn't a good option either. That wouldn't put the cartels out of the drug business at all. Eventually it would lower their profit margins. But they'd make it up on volume.
I do agree that all Gov't's should legalize weed in the US for adults. I don't agree that any gov't entities should be taxing and regulating it however. Their position that it makes it safer for the end user is complete BS and a cash grab.. A friggin retard can tell what's safe weed and what's not.
About a 25% poverty rate if you count illegals
But don't mess with them!!
I'll leave the prostitution issue alone for now. But it makes sense that if its out in the open more people are going to be doing it. That hooker you're thinking about banging has been rammed by 20 more sex fiends because she's more visible. You can do the math. And if we're looking to Australia and Canada as examples of what we should become, we might as well mail it in and become a big France. Lets get more degenerate while adversaries like Russia get stronger. How did that work out for Rome?
First you say I'm a libtard now you're saying I'm a conservative. Make up your mind.